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How would you distinguish the man from the machine?

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    Eliza says "Oh... determine the man from the machine?" – kevin cline Apr 01 '11 at 09:00
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    "That September 11th thing was amazing, wasn't it?" - A human would get the reference, a machine is much less likely to. Generally the best way would be to pose something where you can expect a decent emotional response from a human, but where the programmer may have not thought of that situation. You look like a jackass if it is a human, though. – TZHX Apr 01 '11 at 09:27
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    I believe that 70% of Earth population (incl. children adults elders and retarded, etc.) would not get that reference, and 30% would not get it even if you say it in their native language. We are not being fair to the machines. – Job Apr 01 '11 at 15:39
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    I would ask lots of sex-related questions. – Job Apr 01 '11 at 15:40
  • @TZHX, I frankly think that the humans getting the reference mostly live in the USA. The impact on the rest of the world (and the naming of it) is much less. We also wonder why Pearl Harbor is such a big thing. –  Apr 04 '11 at 15:25
  • @Thorbjorn - well, no. Certainly in the UK, people would get it. I expect the majority of [western] Europeans would. Certainly anyone with even a passing interest in modern world politics would. If you termed it "9.11", then maybe I'd agree with you. Either way, it was meant as an example, not a definitive "this is the only one that could be used". I'd originally typed a "your mamma" joke, but yes... – TZHX Apr 05 '11 at 08:01
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    @Thorbjorn (sorry about mispelling your name) - also, Pearl Harbor was an awful film. I can't imagine why people keep talking about it. – TZHX Apr 05 '11 at 08:04
  • I was prepared to leave this open, but I think it's run its course. – ChrisF Apr 05 '11 at 16:32
  • @ChrisF My NLP/AI bot thinks you are on a bit of a high horse... Care to explain how you feel http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/779/ is any more 'constructive' a question? – Brandon Frohbieter Apr 05 '11 at 16:56
  • @Orbit - no. It was asked when the rules were a lot laxer. It wouldn't last now. But like old questions on Stack Overflow it's been left around. If you look hard enough you'll be able to find lots more. This question or one of it's answers was flagged - hence my interest. – ChrisF Apr 05 '11 at 19:05
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    closed? Really? Does it come more subjective than this? –  Apr 06 '11 at 20:19
  • @Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen - pissed me off enough to bring it up on meta - http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/1389/leave-constructiveness-judgement-to-community – Brandon Frohbieter Apr 06 '11 at 20:22
  • @orbit, edit the question to fix the bullet points. –  Apr 06 '11 at 20:41
  • @Job: How is that different from your normal daily activities? – oosterwal May 26 '11 at 15:23
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    @oosterwal, It is not; for it is the answer to everything. We just do not want to admit it. – Job May 26 '11 at 15:59
  • @Thorbjørn: It's because THEY don't want you to know how to tell men from machines! – Tom Anderson Jun 20 '11 at 13:45
  • Note that the original Turing test proposed that the interviewer be a man, and the machine pretend to be a woman; if the man cannot tell the difference, one must assume the machine is intelligent, because the converse is not polite. – Steven A. Lowe Sep 17 '12 at 21:08

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I'd just ask him "If you could pose a question to a turing test candidate, what would it be?".

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Humans use rapport to sniff out artifice

Essentially this means that it will always take a series of questions and subsequent analysis of the answers to establish if the anonymous entity at the end of the line is a human being or not. A single question will not achieve this.

I suppose you could ask "Will you meet me in the car park in 2 minutes?" and then see what turns up.

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  • This is the correct answer. A Turing test involves a _conversation_ with a possible AI, not just a single question/response, which would be almost trivial to write an AI that could pass. – Cassie Dee Apr 07 '11 at 14:50
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You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?

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"Why are manhole covers round?"

Perhaps followed up with "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?"


EDIT: I've come to think of that Douglas Hofstadter has done a delightful piece on this exact subject (including the highest rated answer) and found an online version at http://www.cse.unr.edu/~sushil/class/ai/papers/coffeehouse.html. Especially the scenario where he tries to disclose Nicolai in the "Post Scriptum" section is a fantastic read. I believe I read this in Metamagical Themes.

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Challenge it to a game of "Global Thermonuclear War". Or perhaps a game of tic-tac-toe versus itself.

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Anything ironic. So far machines are totally incapable of interpreting jokes and irony. Although some people are too, so you may get some false negatives ;-)

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I'd see if it could handle lots of slang, incorrect grammar and implicit meaning as efficiently as a human:

Dude, is you some kinda fancy-schmancy circuit board or does you have DNA?

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"Will your answer to this question be negative?"

Note: the original Turing test proposal was for the computer to pretend to be a woman, the interviewer to be a man, and the test limited to five minutes. If the man was unable to determine if the computer was a woman or not in five minutes, we would have to conclude that the computer was intelligent, "because the converse is not polite".

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"Are you Watson?" :-p

Jokes aside, I think it is impossible to determine man from machine with a single question, especially without any context info.

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How much wood, would a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck would chuck wood?

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    A woodchuck could chuck no amount of wood since a woodchuck couldn't chuck wood. – Ant Apr 01 '11 at 09:46
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    But if a woodchuck could chuck and would chuck some amount of wood, what amount of wood would a woodchuck chuck? – Kristof Claes Apr 01 '11 at 12:21
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    Even if a woodchuck could chuck wood and even if a woodchuck would chuck wood, should a woodchuck chuck wood? – bastibe Apr 01 '11 at 12:50
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    A woodchuck would chuck all the wood he could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood. (According to the tongue twister, although the paper "The Ability of Woodchucks to Chuck Cellulose Fibers" by P.A. Paskevich and T.B. Shea in Annals of Improbable Research vol. 1, no. 4, pp. 4-9, July/August 1995, concluded that a woodchuck can chuck 361.9237001 cubic centimeters of wood per day.) – GSto Apr 01 '11 at 13:36
  • ***ZOT!!!!!!*** – oosterwal Apr 01 '11 at 15:19
  • He could cut a quarter of a cord of conifer if you gave him a quarter for every cord he cut. – Michael Kristofik Apr 04 '11 at 16:26
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What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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If you were to answer dishonestly, how would you answer this question?

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So I see that Fred A. Niedle was fired for woobling the wotsits. What do you think about the whole affair?

I'd expect an AI to try to Eliza it back to me somehow, and a human to respond with confusion or humour.

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Ask a logical question which requires infinite recursion for evaluation and hope the programmers weren't smart enough to account for that kind of question.

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Well most likely computer has problem answering an alternative to problem :

Which came first: the chicken or the egg?

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What would an M look like if you were standing on your head?

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How are you feeling today? and go on with empathic conversation.

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"If humans said nothing to prove that they're human, what would you say?"

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I'd ask something I've always wondered:

"Mary Ann or Ginger?"

oosterwal
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"When was the last time you prevaricated?"

Semantically it's a sensible question, and a computer would probably try and answer it, but a human being would just say - "Awee... c'mon.. how the hell would I know?"

Anything with that pattern, ie. linguistically, semantically, and culturally a sensible question, but something which no real person would ask, or answer. (This can be done, without going into deeply personal areas - in fact, the computer might be programmed to handle those with "that's private").

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I would ask anything where there isn't a clear cut answer and which usually involves strong or varied opinions and/or emotions from human participants. For example:

  • What do do you think of the current situation in Libya?
  • What are your thoughts on the recent disaster in Japan?
  • How do you think we should resolve the humanitarian crisis in the Ivory Coast?
  • Why do you think Coldplay became so popular?
  • What do you think about Charlie Sheen?
  • What new technologies should we foresee in the next twenty years?
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"Sorry I'm late. Got held up at my mother's funeral."

Would any intelligent being other than a human respond to that as a human would? I think not.

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Why might a guy say to another guy "Oh, be a fine girl kiss me"?

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Whats is your date of birth :) And mother's name too :):):)

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First: "Are you a programmer?"

If no, not a program.

If yes:

"Do you prefer emacs or vi?"

If that doesn't start a flamewar, it's a machine :)

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