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I have been trying to find what IC this is for ages.

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Here is some information on the IC:

  • Found in a wireless gaming mouse (mostly Logitech).
  • It's connected to the mouse buttons/LED (not 100% sure)
  • It's always accompanied by 3 resistors
  • IC marking is 1F5/1F7 (see picture)

I found a similar one in another mouse:

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This one looks like it is connected to a 74LVC595, but these ones have a capacitor.

At first I thought it was a Schmitt trigger for the buttons, but I couldn't find any single-channel Schmitt trigger IC with 6 pins.

Any help would be appreciated.

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They are labelled Q13, Q21 etc, so I'm guessing a transistor, perhaps a pair such as BC847BV, which, at least from Onsemi and NXP, is marked 1F and appears to be in the right sort of package. The 7 is perhaps a date or factory code, which would explain why some are 5.

From your photo, a little tracing (edit: redrawn with 595 correct way around, pin 1 marker appears top right):

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Which suggests the following fragment, which looks like a clock input arrangement of the 595. The caps look like bypass.

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Datasheets

A numebr of manufacturers have twin-transistors in appropriate packages marked 1F, with this pinout:

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Note rotational symmetry. I suggest you measure one accurately to confirm the package, and trace a few of the signals to see if the pinout makes any sense. It's plausible they might want 18 transistors, but I'm not sure what other part they'd want so many of.

I found it on The ultimate SMD marking codes database, looking for 1F in the right kind of package.

The Onsemi BC847BDW1 datasheet:

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The NXP BC847BV datasheet:

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The Nexperia BC847BS datasheet:

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  • LCSC has pictures and there is no date code (also missing the dots): https://www.lcsc.com/product-detail/Bipolar-Transistors-BJT_Nexperia-BC847BV-115_C455062.html. I don't think this is the right part. – nanash1 Apr 06 '23 at 08:25
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    It seems the marking matches Onsemi marking for the same part, answer updated. – jonathanjo Apr 06 '23 at 08:48
  • Thank you @jonathanjo . I have added some more information above. If its a transistor i don't understand why they would be connected to a button. – Sharu Apr 06 '23 at 12:47
  • I added a little tracing ... the buttons you're speaking of, where are they connected? If these are those transistors, it looks like the bases are connected under the parts ... do you see vias if you turn the board over? – jonathanjo Apr 06 '23 at 13:59
  • @Sharu I could think of a handful of reasons you might do that. I suspect something to do with debouncing; that would explain the capacitors, too. – Hearth Apr 06 '23 at 14:30
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    OnSemi one seems most likely (just by the arrangement of characters). Could also be the Nexperia variant, [BC847BS](https://assets.nexperia.com/documents/data-sheet/BC847BS.pdf) - that one is marked also 1F% (where % is a single character for manufacturing location). All basically the same thing. Diodes Inc have an 847 marked K1F. All would be suitable replacements. – Tom Carpenter Apr 06 '23 at 14:53
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    Looks like it. @jonathanjo I don't have the board with me so i cannot verify that but i think you are right with the schematic. Thank you everyone for helping. – Sharu Apr 06 '23 at 15:08
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    You have mislabeled the last datasheet, it should be Nexperia, not Onsemi. Also, I think the NXP one is most likely superflous - I believe they didn't keep making transistors after divesting and selling Nexperia. – jaskij Apr 06 '23 at 17:56
  • @jaskij thanks for pointing it out, I've corrected it. I've left it in, original question was about an excisting device, with unknown manufacturer of the parts, even if they've stopped making them. – jonathanjo Apr 06 '23 at 18:02
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General rule of thumb, if you see a small, unknown component with a number of pins divisible by 3, the first reasonable guess is an IC housing a number of transistors. Using oszilloscope probes to check for diode-like behavior on a number of adjacent 2-pin combinations can be helpful. But looking at photo, those are either two-transistor ICs, RLC filters for improving the signal characteristics, or thingamajigs responsible for switching the duty cycle of the mouse's LED illumination.

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