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A statement that I often read here goes: "Fuses protect the wire, not the load."

However, in basically all cases I use fuses, I think they are there to protect the load - I.e. the device on that side of the fuse that is opposite to the energy source.

  • In line with power input for power converters, usually recommended by surge immunity. Protects the converter.

  • In line with signal input ports. Either as actual fuses (e.g. in multimeters) or as polyfuses. Protects the decice from excessive overcurrent.

Why would I care about the wires leading to my devices? I often don't even have control over them.

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    A fuse only protects what comes **after** the fuse. If a short happens before the fuse, the fuse will do nothing. So, a fuse in your device is not meant to protect the wiring leading to your device, that wiring should have it's own fuse, rated for that wiring. – Unimportant Jan 08 '22 at 08:56
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    As @Unimportant noted, a fuse protects what comes after. However, it’s generally protecting it from catching fire. If a device fails and shorts out, it’s already dead and the fuse will do nothing to prevent that. The fuse will protect the internal wiring from burning up. – DoxyLover Jan 08 '22 at 09:00
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    @Unimportant Surely a fuse protects things before and after the fuse. If a device failed and drew a lot of current, the fuse will protect the wiring before and after the fuse. – HandyHowie Jan 08 '22 at 09:32
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    The fuse protects everything in series with it. As far as wiring goes, it is often recommended to place fuses close to the energy source so that any type of short circuit (possibly due to damaged insulation) comes after the fuse. But apart from those sorts of concerns, the fuse protects everything in series with it. – user57037 Jan 08 '22 at 09:38
  • @HandyHowie If a certain device normally draws 10A and has it's own appropriate fuse inside, but I'm dumb and connect said device to a power supply using 0.1mm² wires, will the fuse inside the device protect my feeble wires from melting? As OP says, the designer of the device has no control over the wiring leading upto the device, it's upto me to protect my feeble wires with my own fuse **before** the wires. – Unimportant Jan 08 '22 at 10:01
  • @Unimportant I am not totally disagreeing with you, just saying that the fuse will protect the wires before it too. It just depends where the fault is. – HandyHowie Jan 08 '22 at 10:08
  • `in basically all cases I use fuses, I think they are there to protect the load` - give those examples and let's see if they can be agreed upon or not. – Andy aka Jan 08 '22 at 10:10
  • @Andyaka they are in the bullets or what are you looking for ? – tobalt Jan 08 '22 at 10:36
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    Neither of those examples will protect the device. Give examples that protect the device. – Andy aka Jan 08 '22 at 10:39
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    Suppose you have a power source like a lithium battery or transformer, and you have big hefty wires capable of carrying a lot of current. If you manage to short out the wires, the battery or might explode or the transformer could heat up and burn, so a fuse would protect the power source from damage too, not just wires or the load. – Justme Jan 08 '22 at 11:18
  • @Andyaka that's why I highlighted that I **think** they protect the device. If I omitted them in those examples, the device would break long before any wire would catch fire. Why do you think that these examples are wrong? (Obviously your reasoning would provide a viable answer to my question) – tobalt Jan 08 '22 at 11:23
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    If the device breaks then it isn't because the fuse isn't there. The fuse is there to prevent infrastructure damage should the broken device form a short circuit and try and take 100 amps through your house wiring embedded in the walls of your house (and cause a fire). A fuse will not protect an electronic device from failure. There isn't enough detail in the bullets to make an answer other than in a comment. A fuse is an insurance policy. – Andy aka Jan 08 '22 at 11:30
  • There are cases when the fuse, in part, does protect the device. For example, most mobile two-way radios have a diode connected across the power connections so that it is normally reverse biased. In the case that someone inadvertently connects the power wires backwards, the diode is forward biased and passes enough current to blow the inline fuse, protecting the device. Likewise a crowbar circuit in a power supply will cause the fuse to blow during a fault condition, protecting the supply. In both cases you usually just have to correct the fault and replace the fuse. – GodJihyo Jan 08 '22 at 20:54

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It's important to stress that a fuse is meant to protect from catastrophic outcomes, such as fires, not to protect devices from breaking. In fact, in most cases, when a fuse blows something has already failed, causing a overload such as a short circuit and the fuse prevents this from turning into a blaze.

You are right, you have no control over the wiring leading upto your device. That's why fuses should be rated to protect whatever comes after the fuse. The electrician who installed the wiring in your house knew how much current those wires can safely carry and he installed appropriate fuses in your breaker box to protect them from overheating when something tries to draw more current then that.

As the designer of your device, you (should) know how much current the components of your device, the wires, the connectors, the PCB traces, etc... can carry. So you can work out what fuse to use to protect against your device from causing a fire should anything break.

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    The fuse is **not** there to protect the device. It is there to prevent the device from going up in flames when the device goes bad. The fuse blows when the device is already drawing too much current - the device is already broken. The fuse blows so that the device cannot get current over a long enough time to heat up and catch on fire. – JRE Jan 08 '22 at 10:15
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    @JRE That's what I said... (?) – Unimportant Jan 08 '22 at 10:17
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    No. The fuse doesn't protect your device. The fuse protects the environment from your (broken) device. The fuse won't stop your device from going bad. When a fuse blows, the device is already broken. The fuse keeps the broken device from setting your house on fire. – JRE Jan 08 '22 at 10:20
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    @JRE In which sentence do I claim that the fuse protects the device ?. I'm saying exactly what you're saying. – Unimportant Jan 08 '22 at 10:23
  • I think I've been reacting to your comment under the question. That comment says the fuse protects what comes after the fuse. – JRE Jan 08 '22 at 10:29
  • @JRE It does. The 500mA fuse in my clock radio protects the wires, PCB traces, etc - in the clock radio, after the fuse - from causing a fire should anything break. It's not meant to protect the 2.5mm² wiring in the wall, that's the breakers job in the breaker box which sits before those wires... – Unimportant Jan 08 '22 at 10:33
  • in all my examples, the fuse is indeed in conjunction with a parallel shunt element after the fuse (MOV/TVS). so one could say, that it is in fact the TVS that protects the functional device circuitry (from overvoltage), but the fuse protects the TVS (which is essentially the wiring during the overvoltage situation) from burning. In this seemingly crude way, I could understand the validity of that saying. because you are right: without the fuse, something *in* the device chassis could catch fire: TVS or connector/traces/PCB. – tobalt Jan 08 '22 at 13:22
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    @Unimportant - I think we're getting confused by your choice of words here. You write "The fuse ... **protects** the wires ... from causing a fire ..." - but I think more correct English grammar would read more like "The fuse ... **prevents** the wires ... from causing a fire ...". You should be able to swap the word with a synonym and still have the sentence make sense, but if we try something like "The fuse ... **shields** the wires ... from causing a fire ..." - that doesn't really work (where *prevent* ~ *shield*). – brhans Jan 08 '22 at 16:08
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    Yeah, as @brhans notes, "protect" isn't really the right word to use here. You can *prevent* something from *causing* damage, or *protect* something from *being* damaged, but not vice versa. – Ilmari Karonen Jan 08 '22 at 17:12
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I know where you get "fuses protect the wires".

That applies to the AC mains utility wiring inside your house. The main threat is either a malfunctioning appliance or receptacles where someone has plugged in more loads than the circuit can bear (real easy to do in 120V-land, where plug-in heat appliances are limited to 1500W=12.5A per UL... yet circuits are 15 and 20 amps per NEC.

If your appliance doesn't have consumer-swappable modules, then you don't have the variable-load problem. So your fuse is only there for conditions which should not ever happen per your design, meaning a hardware failure has occurred, the appliance is possibly a write-off, and now your goal is to keep the appliance from starting a fire.

The UK has a nice answer for that, with fuses in the appliance plug, in which case the fuse protects both the appliance and its cord. (Good thing too: UK circuits are 32A!) North America also does this with a few items, such as Christmas light strings.

Some systems of appliance certification allow you to rely on the branch circuit breaker for your internal fusing, if you can prove that will trip before the appliance does anything destructive to other than itself. That is why North America/NEC requires a match between large appliance rating and branch circuit breaker, (30A appliances on 30A branch circuits only)... yet Australia allows any plug to fit any equal or larger socket.

  • Good answer. If you feel like it you might also mention that boats and land vehicles also use fuses to protect internal wiring from overloads and may have their own applicable standards (E.g., ABYC for boats in the US). – user57037 Jan 09 '22 at 21:39
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In a sense, you are right. Fuses are sometimes used for specific reasons by device designers inside the device. But they seldom act by themselves fast enough to protect silicon. You need something else to help buy time. For example a fuse or a polyfuse followed by a shunt Zener can provide pretty good protection against input over-voltage if everything is sized correctly.

Also sometimes fuses are put in place in such a way that they blow after some piece of silicon fails first, with the intention that they make the failure mode relatively safe. Maybe without the fuse, after the silicon failure, the whole device would catch on fire. But with the fuse, the device fails in a safe fashion.

But you are right that the fuses in a good multimeter are intended to protect the meter (and they do). Those are uncommon and very special fuses, though.

Nonetheless, it is an important concept of safe design that every wire has a fuse or breaker in series sized so that the circuit will open before the wire reaches an excessive temperature. This is basic electrical and fire safety and applies to boats, cars, etc.

You may not care about the wire, but you probably don't want a faulty appliance to burn your house down. And the people who write electrical code (and building inspectors) don't normally care if your device stops working.

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I think you've found the exceptions to the rule.

If you think about the larger fuses in homes, offices or factories, then the fuses are primarily to prevent fires in the wiring. If an appliance has shorted out, then you're protecting the wires from the appliance. If the wiring has shorted, then that wouldn't damage the appliance, but could cause a fire.

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Just to add that fuses also, to some extent, protect the supply before the fuse. Without fuses an overload could damage the supply transformer / battery / generator / supply wiring. If the fuse blows on a faulty device then overloading the supply is prevented.

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There are subtle differences between different countries on how domestic fuses are handled and installed. In Sweden the situation is that the "house" fuses are there to protect against fires from the wires. In contrast to eg UK in Sweden the appliance plugs never has fuses.

On the intake to a an apartment or a house you will find fuses controlled by the utility company setting how many amperes you are allowed to draw from the incoming electricity source. The values of the fuses, say 16A, may be connected to the cost of your contract.

Inside the house or apartment there is a distribution central with fuses and from the central position wires goes out in a star to the different connections. (This is different from what you find in eg UK, where the distribution tends to be a ring distribution). Each wire from the central is protected by a fuse, say 10A. The maximum fuse value allowed is regulated depending on the size of the wires going from the central to the outlet. A 1.5 mm2 wire can be protected by a maximum fuse of 10A, a 2.5 mm2 wire with a maximum fuse o 16A and so on. Here, clearly the fuse protects the wire.

Additionally a lot of installations contains ground fault circuit interrupters. These are there to protect humans against electrical shocks when faults when a fault in an appliance may induce dangerous current. Typically they trip on around 10mA ground fault.

Some appliances may contains one or more fuses, some not. The fuses can be of different types but generally are to protect either parts of the appliance from cascading expensive faults or protecting for the appliance creating dangers such as fires. I have seen three different kinds of fuses used in appliances: tripping when the appliances draws too much amperes (protects from cascading errors as well as some fire hazards), tripping when the appliance gets too hot (protects from fire hazards), tripping when input voltage is too high (say from a lightning hitting a power line, protecs the appliance from over voltage). In each case the fuse may one-time or resettable, sometimes resetting itself after a time or when the external conditions are back to normal.

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I’d quoted the phrase a few times recently, so it might be me who precipitated this question!

With the responses we’ve had here the phrase is clearly not a universal truth - it forms the basis of electrical power systems. Change of wire size must have the appropriate protection for the wire.

Probably a more accurate phrase would be that the ‘ fuse protects the insulation’. Without functional insulation, it is a fair chance bad things are going to happen - witness kapton failure in airplane wiring.

In some instances the fuse does actually protect the load or the source by limiting the maximum current that can flow.

Nevertheless it is a useful and easy to remember ‘rule’ that applies to many questions we see here. My recent quoting of it related to things like 60A power supplies with multiple strings of leds wired with wire suitable for 5A max. 60A into 5A wire is a gross overload that probably wouldn’t end well. Hopefully this ‘rule’ will serve another generation of people who play with electricity.

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The idea of the classic fuse is simple - it is a deliberately weakened section of the electrical circuit that "sacrifices" itself in the name of the other elements of the circuit by interrupting the current when it becomes unacceptably high. This makes the place of interruption predictable. Because the current in a circuit of series-connected elements is the same, they are all protected. The fuse is irreparably damaged and must be replaced... but it is a cheap element.

So the "motto" of a fuse is, "If something will break, let it be me!"

However, there are still people who solve the problem of short circuit by strengthening the fuse...

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Sometimes the fuse is meant to protect the wire after the fuse. Sometimes the fuse is there to protect something else from becoming a fuse. I had a friend who used to wrap the fuse for his guitar amp with aluminum foil because it kept blowing. It kept blowing because he tried to get more volume from the amp than the amp was designed for. His technique was successful. The fuse no longer blew. But the power transformer (the next most vulnerable wire) did. In effect, the transformer became a fuse. Now as others have said, there could be a design where no wire opens. That's a situation where the magic smoke escapes.

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