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When we consider two inductors that are magnetically coupled, we sometimes talk about mutual inductance. As an example, consider two inductors (such as 9 μH and 4 μH) that are 100% coupled and produce magnetic fields that are aiding. We calculate the mutual inductance (M) like this: -

$$M = \sqrt{L_1\times L_2} \hspace{1cm}=\hspace{1cm} \sqrt{9\text{ }\mu H\times 4\text{ }\mu H} \hspace{1cm}=\hspace{1cm} 6\text{ }\mu H$$

So, a 100% coupled 9 μH and 4 μH inductor have a mutual inductance of 6 μH. But what does the 6 μH represent? I can see that 6 μH is the geometric mean of 9 μH and 4 μH but is that all?

Using "M", we can find the net inductance using this formula: -

$$L_{NET} = L_1 + L_2 + 2\sqrt{L_1\times L_2}$$

And, in the simple example above, we get 9 μH + 4 μH + (2 x 6) μH = 25 μH.

But we don't need M to calculate \$L_{NET}\$. We can calculate it more directly with this formula: -

$$L_{NET} = \left(\sqrt{L_1}+\sqrt{L_2} \right)^2\hspace{1cm}=\hspace{1cm} \left(3+2\right)^2\text{ }\mu H\hspace{1cm} = \hspace{1cm}25 \mu H$$

  • So, does M (mutual inductance) have a numerical (or any other) useful meaning?
  • Does it represent something that is important to us?

Is it only of (some) use when calculating the net inductance of two coupled inductors?


Update Sept 10th

Given the answers so far, I'm sorry to say that I still find M to be fairly meaningless given that it translates into more useful terms like N (turns ratio) and k (coupling factor) in every situation the current answers have raised.

If someone can come up with an EE example where M is clearly a benefit over more pragmatic variables, it would be good.

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    Andy asks an electromagnetism-related question? O.o The world is falling apart or he got his account stolen. – Rohat Kılıç Sep 08 '21 at 09:34
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    @RohatKılıç - the back-story is that I have never found M to be useful and don't understand why it appears to have such prominence. I think it's an "emperor's new clothes" situation. – Andy aka Sep 08 '21 at 09:37
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    Very good question and +1 for the character to ask it. – relayman357 Sep 08 '21 at 10:33
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    Actually, this is a very good question. Thinking about it, I never required an M value as a design parameter (or goal) for a, say, transformer design, never needed to measure it as well, and never seen in the datasheet of a transformer or a coupled inductor. So, why do we need this then? – Rohat Kılıç Sep 08 '21 at 11:52
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    It is the part of the voltage in the inductor that is caused by the rate of change of the current in the other coil: u1=Ldi1/dt+Mdi2/dt, in the frequency domain: U1=ωLI1+ωMI2. When there are more then two coils, it gets more complicated because for every possible coil pair there is an M. – Bart Sep 08 '21 at 14:50
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    +1 right on. @Rohat Kılıç says what I was going to say, exactly. – john Sep 08 '21 at 22:40
  • @Bart then please give an example where it is useful or becomes apparent as to what M fundamentally is (other than shorthand for a couple of variables). – Andy aka Sep 11 '21 at 15:52
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    @Andyaka Have you considered generators where you have two coils moving past each other and coupling varies as they do , but even at the rotor/stator position of maximum coupling not all the inductance present in the coils participates in the coupling? – DKNguyen Sep 24 '21 at 13:42
  • @DKNguyen I'm happy to consider any scenario but I'm unsure how your scenario is going to help me fathom out how M can be more useful that k or N etc.. – Andy aka Sep 24 '21 at 14:02
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    Thanks @Andyaka. Good question. I agree with your update as well. It is always worthwhile to question what we consider fundamental or obvious. I don't have and answer for you but I will pause to consider what you ask. – RussellH Sep 30 '22 at 17:30

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If you are writing mesh equations for a circuit containing a transformer (or coupled inductors), use of mutual inductance leads to a simple formulation for the potential difference across a branch containing one of the inductors.

For example if \$V_1\$ is the voltage across the branch formed by inductor L1 and \$V_2\$ is the voltage across L2, with mutual inductance \$M\$ between the two inductors, then

$$V_1 = L_1\frac{dI_1}{dt}-M\frac{dI_2}{dt}$$ and $$V_2 = L_2\frac{dI_2}{dt}-M\frac{dI_1}{dt}$$

Or, in the frequency domain $$v_1 = j\omega L_1 i_1 - j\omega M i_2$$ and $$v_2 = j\omega L_2 i_2 - j\omega M i_1.$$

Of course there's no information lost if you substitute \$M=k\sqrt{L_1L_2}\$, but the equation has a simpler form if you condense that into one term instead of three terms with a square root to be calculated.

Also, the first three or four pages I found by googling (that was part of the question, right?) all define \$M\$ first, and then define \$k\$ in terms of \$M\$. Presumably this was the historic way the terms were developed as outlined in user4574's answer. So one benefit of defining the mutual inductance is to give you something from which to define the coupling factor \$k\$, if you prefer to formulate your equations in terms of \$k\$.

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    Yes. And the coupling factor provides you a relative measure (0..100%) which is more insightful as a gauge for efficacy (transformers) or isolation (wires/traces), whereas mutual inductance -as you write- is used to solve coupled networks. Neither is superfluous. – P2000 Sep 09 '21 at 06:32
  • @ThePhoton can you be clear about the circuit this formula applies to and, state what are the knowns and unknowns - presumably V2 is an unknown and \$dI_2/dt\$ is known by virtue of the load on the secondary and V2 (when uncovered) but, being practical (the word "useful" in the question as applied to EEs), it needs clarity or it just remains a formula that has only relevance to itself. I don't mind doing the leg-work unpicking things mathematically so, if you can provide a circuit, I can do the rest. – Andy aka Sep 09 '21 at 07:01
  • @P2000 I'm unsure what you mean by efficacy in this context. Can you be clear? – Andy aka Sep 09 '21 at 07:04
  • @ThePhoton I am asking this of you seriously. Reason: if I take your \$V_2\$ formula and manipulate the \$M\dfrac{di_1}{dt}\$ bit it resolves to \$k\cdot N\cdot V_1\$ where N is the turns ratio i.e. a much simpler and more pragmatic formula so, maybe I have misinterpreted the circuit implied by the formula? It's simpler and more pragmatic because it introduces \$V_1\$ (almost always known compared to \$i_1\$) and, it also introduces the turns ratio N; something that is almost always known compared to M. So, the unloaded output voltage equals \$k\cdot N\cdot V_1\$! Something utterly well-known. – Andy aka Sep 09 '21 at 11:52
  • "efficacy in this context": coupling of flux, aided by magnetic permeability, orientation of field etc... generally maximized for transformers and minimized for interference – P2000 Sep 09 '21 at 14:27
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    @Andyaka, It doesn't matter what circuit. If you're doing mesh analysis (sorry, I wrote "node" initially, it's fixed now) the first step is write a set of KVL equations for your circuit. The second step is use the constitutive equations for the components to eliminate \$v\$ variables from the equations, leaving only \$i\$ variables. This expression for \$v\$ of one branch in terms of \$i\$ in terms of both branches of the transformer allows you to do that very simply. – The Photon Sep 09 '21 at 14:52
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    If you had a description of your transformer in terms of \$k\$ and turns ratio, you would end up using that to calculate \$M\$ and plug it in to the equations, even if you didn't think to give that term the name \$M\$ at the time. – The Photon Sep 09 '21 at 14:53
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    It's not something you or I as circuit designers do every day (or every year) but it's the kind of thing that motivates textbook authors when they're working out how to organize their textbooks. – The Photon Sep 09 '21 at 14:54
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    OK @ThePhoton that sounds reasonable - it's used by textbook authors in mesh analysis. That gives me something to go on. – Andy aka Sep 09 '21 at 14:57
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    And not just textbooks. Circuit simulators use M as a basic element, EM simulators (e.g. COMSOL) use M to model coupling, and wireless inductive links are characterized and modelled like the eqns in the above answer. – P2000 Sep 09 '21 at 23:19
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    Hi photon, I'm not sure but may be this example helps to understand, why M is more useful than k, for any given configuration of two coils, if we need to find the value of K experimentally, then from your equation we need V2, I2, I1, L1 and L2. While for M we don't need L1 anymore and hence we reduced one variable , and there may be certain application where we actually don't need L1. – user215805 Sep 10 '21 at 12:53
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    ,an example may if we exite a coil using a varying current source and we are interested in its effect(emf induce) on other coil, in this case we certainly don't need( L1 or K) because M and L2 are enough for all the information related to emf induce in 2nd coil. – user215805 Sep 10 '21 at 12:53
  • @user215805 I think you are missing the point of my question. To compress a couple of variables into a simplified form called M is fine but, to raise M up to be something significant and meaningful (when it just masquerades as an inductor value or two and k or N) is just obfuscating basic circuit truths. Don't fall into the trap of thinking its usefulness can be explained in a few words. Try and explain what M actually is and why, in certain circumstances (beyond me), that it is a valid approach to take and not just another useless layer of complication. – Andy aka Sep 11 '21 at 15:46
  • @ThePhoton I really need to see the real circuit of that implied by your formula (as I said last week). Having gone through a few examples, I cannot see how two coupled and isolated inductors having individual inductances of L1 and L2 can possibly produce this formula. I think I see where you went wrong but cannot be sure until you provide that circuit. – Andy aka Sep 13 '21 at 11:27
  • @Andyaka, This is the constitutive relationship for coupled inductors. It applies in **any** circuit, the same way that \$I=C\frac{dV}{dt}\$ applies to a capacitor in any circuit or \$V=IR\$ applies to a resistor in any circuit. – The Photon Dec 22 '21 at 07:19
  • I've changed the sign of the *M* term in my equations to match the presentation in other sources. – The Photon Dec 22 '21 at 07:21
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I have never found M to be useful and don't understand why it appears to have such prominence.

One reason M enjoys so much prominence is because it was part of Maxwell's original publication on electrodynamics. The first known appearance of M in literature that I am aware of is right in Maxwell's 1865 publication "A dynamical theory of the electromagnetic field" (See page 468).

Is it only of use when calculating the net inductance of two coupled inductors?

Maxwell lays it out pretty clearly in his publication (although his terminology is a bit archaic).

For two circuits (inductors) A and B. The electromagnetic momentum belonging to A is...

L*x + M * y

The electromagnetic momentum belonging to B is...

M*x + N * y

The equation for the current x in A is...

v = R * x + d/dt(L * x + M * y)

The equation for the current y in B is...

n = S * y + d/dt(M * x + N * y)

where v and n are the electromotive forces (voltages), x and y are the currents, and R and S are the resistances in A and B respectively.

The implication of the equation is that the voltage on one inductor consists of three components.

  1. An I *R resistive part.
  2. An inductance * di/dt part from itself
  3. A mutual-inductance * di/dt from the current in the other inductor.

So basically the point of mutual inductance is that if I change the current in one inductor then it causes a voltage in the other one, which is proportional to M and the rate of change in current. This is of course the basis for a transformer.

Also, note that inductance is typically proportional to the square of the number of turns, which is why M is proportional to the square root of the inductance of each winding.

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  • I'm not so sure about your final sentence. \$M=\sqrt{L_1\times L_2}\$ so, M is proportional to inductance i.e. it's the geometric mean of two coupled inductors when k=1. It's interesting that Maxwell used M. – Andy aka Sep 08 '21 at 14:46
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    @Andyaka I clarified which inductance I was talking about. M is proportional to the square root of the inductance of each winding. – user4574 Sep 08 '21 at 14:56
  • Mutual inductance IS inductance. – Andy aka Sep 08 '21 at 19:41
  • M appears to just obfuscate basic and more fundamentally important circuit elements. It seems to be transferable to other variables so, it's only use appears to be shorthand but, if that is the case then why is it held up as being important or particularly useful? – Andy aka Sep 11 '21 at 15:50
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    @Andyaka sometimes it's not obfuscation but abstraction, e.g. when solving diff.-eqns. to find Ls and M from V and I, then M (an abstraction or effect) will be found with Ls, before determining k from it. Then M models a physical effect without necessarily being a corpuscular thing with turns etc... – P2000 Sep 11 '21 at 20:17
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It may be true that M is not important in transformers or coupled inductors.

If someone can come up with an EE example where M is clearly a benefit over more pragmatic variables, it would be good.

1. Here is an example where M could be useful.

Consider an example of two multi-turn air-core coils is placed at a distance in a wireless charging application. If you need to design the wireless charging coils to have desired performance/characteristics you need to calculate M and it becomes useful. (Image sources: 1 and 2)

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Let's say the gap between two coils varies between 4cm - 6cm, the maximum diameter of the coils should be less than 10 cm. The design goal is to optimize the coil parameters such as diameter, the number of turns, turn pitch, etc to achieve the best power transfer efficiency at a given output power. (Formula image source.)

Now the output power and efficiency are:

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You need to first calculate mutual inductance using Elliptic integrals e.g. follows: (Formula image source.)

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With this calculation of M (and of course known ways of calculating coil resistances), you can implement a complete optimization problem as a function of coil geometric parameters and distances.

In this example, you cannot use the coupling coefficient directly as the value of coupling depend on the distance and coil parameters in a non-linear manner.

2. Meaning of M

Although we write as \$M=k \sqrt{L_1 L_2}\$, in fact, the fundamental physical quantity is \$M\$ because: (Image source)

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\$k\$ is a derived coefficient to get an understanding of coupling percentage. It would be more appropriate to express \$k=M/ \sqrt{L_1 L_2}\$, at least in the above example.

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  • Unfortunately the link that might allow me to analyse what your equations might actually be hides behind a researchgate login page. Neither have you explained why M is a fundamental physical quantity and why k is derived from M. I mean, just throwing in a few formulas that express k in terms of M, L1 and L2 doesn't prove or substantiate anything. Basically you have no justified why M is useful. Don't get me wrong - I'm sure you are right (just as everyone with an answer is probably right) but, nothing is shaking the ground underneath my feet regards the usefulness of M. – Andy aka Sep 24 '21 at 13:50
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    why M is useful: because the example in the answer needs M for the stipulated objective. Can you provide a way to achieve this without calculating/measuring M? – Pojj Sep 24 '21 at 15:13
  • I don’t see an example in your answer and I don’t see a specific formula. Show me both please. I need something that is clear and not ambiguous. If you want to paraphrase what method is used to directly solve M then that’s a start. Assertions are not enough. – Andy aka Sep 24 '21 at 19:13
  • @Andyaka see if it the edit helps you to understand the example – Pojj Sep 24 '21 at 20:12
  • The elliptic formulation is basically just a rewrite of the biot savart formulations and can be rejigged to calculate k just as directly. Nothing special here as far as I can tell. K is not a derived value. In other words I dispute your conclusion that the only way to solve this is finding M. – Andy aka Sep 24 '21 at 20:21
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    Can you show how you can calculate k directly in this example? – Pojj Sep 24 '21 at 20:37
  • No, I’m asking this question to ascertain the importance of M and not taking biot savart down a path on a little run that doesn’t need to place any acknowledgement on M. – Andy aka Sep 24 '21 at 23:19
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    Well, I am giving an EE example that M is useful. If you don't agree with it, please provide the alternative way of solving the problem without M. – Pojj Sep 25 '21 at 05:23
  • No, it doesn’t work like that. I require an answer that demonstrates a usefulness to M over and above k linked with N and the individual inductances. All your answer does is use biot savart in favour of solving for M. There is nothing special about the use of M here other than what it is elevated to in the original authors mind and your interpretation. – Andy aka Sep 25 '21 at 06:37
  • @Andyaka. Hi. For solving a circuit with magnetically coupled inductors, while relying only on circuit equations (*i.e.* equations with voltage and current) and not using directly Maxwell's equations (*i.e.* eqs. with electric and magnetic fields), we need \$L_1\$, \$L_2\$, and either \$M\$ or \$k\$. So if you know \$k\$, then \$M\$ is not necessary, and vice versa. It's kind of similar to resistance/reactance/impedance and conductance/susceptance/admittance: you need one of them (can be any) to formulate the circuit equations, and the other is then not necessary. Does that help? – alejnavab Sep 26 '21 at 04:22
  • @AlejandroNava no it doesn't; read the question. – Andy aka Sep 26 '21 at 09:31
  • @Andyaka Okay. In the title, one of your questions is if mutual inductance is representative of something. Mutual inductance between two inductors is the ability of any inductor to induce a voltage in the other inductor through a magnetic field (electromagnetic induction). Is that addressing your question now? – alejnavab Sep 26 '21 at 13:19
  • @AlejandroNava please stop adding futile comments. I think if you concentrated on the bigger picture and took a look at my reputation on this site I think you'll realize that you are totally missing the point of what I'm trying to achieve here. I think you should then properly conclude that I know about M di/dt. I'm going to ask that your comments be removed because they are just clutter. – Andy aka Sep 26 '21 at 13:23
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What precisely is the numerical (or any) meaning of mutual inductance

So, a 100% coupled 9 μH and 4 μH inductor have a mutual inductance of 6 μH. But what does the 6 μH represent?

So, does M (mutual inductance) have a numerical (or any other) useful meaning?

As we know, for a two-inductor system, the total voltage in each coil is:

\$v_1(t) = L_1 i_1'(t) \pm M i_2'(t) \tag 1\$

\$v_2(t) = L_2 i_2'(t) \pm M i_1'(t) \tag 2\$

Let's assume one coil is kept open-circuited while we apply a time-varying current to the other coil. Then, separately, the previous equations simplify to:

\$v_1(t) = \pm M i_2'(t) \tag 3\$

\$v_2(t) = \pm M i_1'(t) \tag 4\$

The plus-minus signs represent the fact that the voltage induced by mutual induction (i.e. on one coil due to the other coil) depends on the relative spatial orientation of the two windings, i.e. it depends on the position of the dots. Of course it also depends on the reference direction for both currents and the reference polarity for both voltages.

Now suppose the rate of change of the current in one coil is 1 amp per second. Then, ignoring units the previous equations separately simplify to:

\$v_1(t) = \pm M \tag 5\$

\$v_2(t) = \pm M \tag 6\$

From the two above equations (5) and (6), the take-away is: the mutual inductance between two inductors tells you the volts induced in one open-circuited coil when we (linearly, i.e. at a constant rate) change the current in the other coil by one ampere in one second. Of course, if such change in current is not of one amp, which is in general the case, then we must use eqs. (3) and (4).

So for the two-inductor system of your question, using eqs. (5) and (6), the \$M\$ = 6 μH means that 6 volts are induced in one (open-circuited) coil, when we linearly change the current in the other coil by 1 ampere in 1 second (even if the coupling coefficient is not 100% as your example). More generally (eqs. (3) and (4)), the \$M\$ = 6 μH means that, when we linearly change the current in one coil by \$\Delta I\$ amperes in 1 second, \$6 \cdot \Delta I\$ volts are induced in the other (open-circuited) coil.

For example, consider the following circuit, in which \$L_1\$ = 7 H, \$L_2\$ = 4 H and \$M\$ = 3 H. (I know those numbers are big, but it doesn't matter in this discussion.) Notice that from \$t_1\$ = 1 s to \$t_2\$ = 2 s (so the change in time is \$\Delta t\$ = 1 s), the current in \$L_1\$ changes from \$I_1\$ = 0.5 A to \$I_2\$ = 1 A, thus the change in current is \$\Delta I\$ = +0.5 A, therefore the voltage induced in \$L_2\$ is \$M \cdot \Delta I = 3 \cdot 0.5 = 1.5\$ volts.

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Figure 1. Image source: own.


[...] and, is it useful

It allows us to use circuit equations (equations involving currents and voltages only, which are scalar functions of scalar variables) instead of directly using Maxwell's equations (equations involving electric and magnetic fields, which are vector functions of vector and scalar variables, which are harder to solve).

Note that many circuit analysis textbooks (Sadiku, Dorf, Hayt, Irwin, Nilsson, Thomas, Van Valkenburg...) start by defining the mutual inductance, then introduce the coupling coefficient by defining it as a ratio of two quantities measured in units of henrys (mutual inductance and the geometric mean of the self-inductances, where the three inductances can be derived from Maxwell's equations). It's kind of similar to how power factor is defined as a ratio of two quantities measured in watts (active power and apparent power, both of which are independently defined). (Yes, I know apparent power is measured in volt-amperes, but that's exactly equivalent to watts; we use VA for apparent to not confuse it with active power.)

As you've shown in part 3 of your answer, we can formulate the circuit equations in terms of the mutual inductance and the self-inductances, or, in terms of the coupling coefficient (which depends on the mutual inductance and self-inductances) and the turns ratio (which depends on the self-inductances). Either way is just as useful in the sense that they allow us to still work with circuit variables (voltages and currents) only.

Perhaps one way (using \$k\$ and \$N\$) is more practical than the other (using \$M\$ and \$L_1\$ and \$L_2\$, as you showed) because it yields shorter equations, but that doesn't make the latter less useful. And for that matter, we could substitute \$k = M/\sqrt{L_1 L_2}\$ and \$N = \sqrt{L_2/L_1}\$, to see that our equations still depend on \$M\$, \$L_1\$ and \$L_2\$.

Here's another way I look at this. If we change the current in one coil, we find out a voltage is induced in the other open-circuited coil, in other words the induced voltage is directly proportional to the rate of change of current: \$v_2(t) \propto i_1'(t)\$. The mutual inductance simply allows us to write this proportionality as an equation: \$v_2(t) = M i_1'(t)\$. I would say this is analogous to how Georg Ohm found out that, in some devices under some circumstances, the voltage across the device is directly proportional to the current through the device (\$v(t) \propto i(t)\$); then he introduced (static/DC) resistance as the proportionality constant, to allow us to write the proportionality as an equation: \$v(t) = R i(t)\$. So the mutual inductance is what allows us to relate changing currents to induced voltages, that's why it's useful.


representative (of something)

Qualitatively (in words only, without numbers), the mutual inductance between two coils is the ability of one inductor to induce a voltage across the other inductor, and vice versa.

For a quantitative explanation, I'll repeat it: the mutual inductance between two inductors tells you the volts induced in one open-circuited coil when we linearly change the current in the other coil by one ampere in one second.

The above interpretations of mutual inductance are analogous to self-inductance. Qualitatively, the self-inductance of a coil is the ability of a time-varying current in the coil to induce a voltage across the coil. Quantitatively, the self-inductance of a coil tells you the volts induced in the coil when we linearly change the current in the coil by one ampere in one second.


or important?

\$M\$ (and \$L_1\$ and \$L_2\$) is just as important as \$k\$ (and \$N\$) for setting up the circuit equations. You can use one or the other.


Does it represent something that is important to us?

What is important to you? Do you consider resistance important? Because we can write circuit equations in terms of conductance \$G\$ instead of resistance \$R\$, just like we can write the circuit equations in terms of \$k\$ instead of \$M\$.


Is it only of (some) use when calculating the net inductance of two coupled inductors?

As far as I know, the only purpose of calculating the net inductance is to simplify inductors connected in series or in parallel. But we can use \$M\$ even when the inductors aren't neither in series nor in parallel, as shown in the following circuit.

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Figure 2. Image source: own.


Part 2 - you don't need to use M (coupling less than 100%)

You have said that using \$k\$ is simpler than \$M\$. Do you really think doing the procedure you showed in part 2 of your answer is simpler than just using \$M\$? In your procedure (shown as an image), you had to 1) manipulate the self-inductances and mutual inductance; 2) convert the inductances of the new coupled inductors into turns; 3) combine the turns; 4) convert the equivalent turns to an equivalent inductance. Don't you think it's easier to use \$M\$ instead, since you don't need to do any conversion nor manipulation?

Furthermore, even if you considered your method of part 2 to be simpler, I think you can't apply it for inductors that aren't in aiding or opposing series or parallel connections, such as the those in figure 2 of this answer.


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Here's another way some people (like me) look at this \$M\$-vs-\$k\$ dispute.

As we know, (static/DC) resistance is defined as the ratio \$R = V_{ab}/I\$. We can use electromagnetic theory to find an expression for the resistance in terms of the material of the conductor (using the resistivity \$\rho\$ or conductivity \$\sigma\$) and the geometry of the conductor (using the length \$L\$, the surface area \$S\$, etc.) For example, if we want to find the resistance of a cylindrical conductor, and if we assume the conductor has uniform electric field \$\mathbf E\$ and uniform current density \$\mathbf J\$, then we can find the resistance as follows. The voltage is:

\$\begin{align} V_{ab} &= \displaystyle\int_a^b {\mathbf E} \cdot {\mathrm d} {\mathrm l} \\ &= \displaystyle\int_a^b E {\mathrm d} l \cos{(\theta)} && \text{expand dot product} \\ &= \displaystyle\int_a^b E {\mathrm d} l && \text{electric field is parallel to length vector} \\ &= E \displaystyle\int_a^b {\mathrm d} l && \text{electric field is independent of length} \\ &= E L && \text{integrate the differential length} \end{align}\$

the current is:

\$\begin{align} I &= \int_S {\mathbf J} \cdot {\mathrm d} {\mathbf S} \\ &= \int_S J {\mathrm d} S \cos{(\theta)} && \text{expand dot product} \\ &= \int_S J {\mathrm d} S && \text{current density is parallel to surface vector} \\ &= J \int_S {\mathrm d} S && \text{current density is independent of area} \\ &= J S && \text{integrate the differential surface} \end{align}\$

and substituting the two previous results for the current and voltage into \$R = V_{ab}/I\$, we get:

\$\begin{align} R &= \dfrac{EL}{JS} \\ &= \dfrac{EL}{(\sigma E) S} && \text{substitute $J = \sigma E$} \\ &= \dfrac{L}{\sigma S} && \text{simplify} \\ &= \dfrac{\rho L}{S} && \text{substitute $\sigma = 1/\rho$, if desired} \end{align}\$

which is a well-known formula. (End of example.)

For capacitance, we define the capacitance between two separated conductors/plates as ratio of the electric charge stored on either conductor, to the voltage or potential difference across the two conductors (\$C = Q/V_{ab}\$); then we can use Gauss' law and the voltage equation \$V_{ab} = \int_a^b {\mathbf E} \cdot {\mathrm d} {\mathrm l}\$ to express the capacitance in terms of the dielectric and its geometry only; in this way we get formulas such as \$C = \epsilon S/d\$ for parallel-plate capacitor.

For self-inductance, we define the self-inductance of a conductor as the ratio of the total magnetic flux linkages to the current which it they link (\$L = \lambda/I\$); then we can use Ampère's law and the magnetic flux equation \$\Phi = \int_S {\mathbf B} \cdot {\mathrm d} {\mathrm S}\$ to express the inductance in terms of the material and its geometry only; in this way we get formulas such as \$L = \mu_0 N^2 S/(2 \pi R)\$ for toroidal inductor.

In this way we can find the resistances, capacitances and inductances of conductors. That's how it's done for power transmission lines (e.g. read the textbooks by Glover & Sarma [chapter 4] or Grainger & Steveson [chapters 4 and 5] on power systems analysis).

Similar to the above properties (resistance, capacitance, inductance), the mutual inductance can be derived from equations of electromagnetic theory, so what's why we say it's a "fundamental property". On the other hand, we conceive the coupling coefficient \$k\$ simply as a dimensionless factor defined in terms of fundamental properties, specifically as the ratio of mutual inductance to the geometric mean of the self-inductances.

Even though calculating \$R\$, \$C\$, \$L\$ and \$M\$ involves electromagnetic theory/Maxwell's equations, those constants are considered as given/known in circuit analysis, so that we don't have to ever use Maxwell's equations again.

There's nothing wrong on only using \$k\$ (and \$N\$) in the circuit equations. If you find ways to always express the circuit equations in terms of \$k\$ without \$M\$, that's fine, whether the resulting expressions are shorter or longer. Simply put, I and other people think of \$k\$ as a derived quantity from \$M\$, so that saying \$M\$ is useless is like saying \$k\$ is also useless (which obviously is not true).

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  • Thank you - that gives me something to work on. – Andy aka Sep 26 '21 at 18:00
  • The part with the mutual inductances is what I was aiming for in my (deleted) answer, but didn't get the words for it. +1 – a concerned citizen Sep 27 '21 at 06:58
  • *2) convert the inductances of the new coupled inductors into turns, which requires to know the inductance factor* - that is incorrect, it is sufficient to recognize that they will be identical in both coils and, no I don't think it's easier to use M instead. More to come later... – Andy aka Sep 27 '21 at 11:03
  • You are the only person to use the term "useless" on this Q and A page. Maybe I have used a similar (but not exactly the same) term somewhere that you are paraphrasing? – Andy aka Sep 28 '21 at 07:33
  • @Andyaka Re: “You are the only person to use the term "useless" on this Q and A page […]” // In [your first comment of the question post](https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/585889/what-precisely-is-the-numerical-or-any-meaning-of-mutual-inductance-and-is-it/588287?noredirect=1#comment1533331_585889), you said “I have never found M to be useful”. I would say that is the same as saying “I have always found M to be useless”. Or do you think not? – alejnavab Sep 28 '21 at 15:05
  • I think not LOL – Andy aka Sep 28 '21 at 15:26
  • Re: “that is incorrect, it is sufficient to recognize that they will be identical in both coils ” // Whoops, my mistake! Thanks for spotting it and I’m sorry for saying that; I’ve removed that sentence now. Re: “and, no I don't think it's easier to use M instead.” // Okay, to be honest I can’t see why it’s not simpler using \$M\$ as opposed to the manipulations you did. Regardless, how would you apply the method shown in part 2 of your answer to the two inductors of figure 2 of my answer, which aren’t in series nor in parallel? – alejnavab Sep 28 '21 at 15:35
  • Re: “I think not LOL” // Haha. So, would you say that saying “I’m never tired” is not the same as “I’m always active”? Could you please explain where my logic is wrong (or share a link)? To me, “never” is “0% of the time” and its opposite is “always” which is “100% of the time”. And the opposite of “useless” is “useful”. That’s why I said what I said in [my comment](https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/585889/what-precisely-is-the-numerical-or-any-meaning-of-mutual-inductance-and-is-it/588287#comment1541449_588287). – alejnavab Sep 28 '21 at 15:47
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Part 1 - you don't need to use M (coupling = 100%)

This statement came from the first posted answer (now deleted): -

Try analysing any circuit with coupled inductors without using M

If two inductors are coupled 100% series aiding, you can convert the inductances into "turns" by assuming that they share the same core (100% coupled). Consider this from the question: -

As an example, consider two inductors (such as 9 μH and 4 μH) that are 100% coupled and produce magnetic fields that are aiding.

You can arbitrarily assume that the inductance factor (\$A_L\$) is 1 μH per turn.

Then, you have this: -

  • 9 μH has 3 turns
  • 4 μH has 2 turns

And, the total number of turns is 5 hence, the net inductance is 5² μH = 25 μH.

In other words, you do this: -

$$L_{NET} = (\sqrt{L_1}+\sqrt{L_2})^2$$

Mister mutual inductance was not needed nor harmed!


Part 2 - you don't need to use M (coupling less than 100%)

Another comment suggested that 100% coupling was a special case. Here's the same example with 60% coupling. I've done it pictorially because I think it's more meaningful to see the steps: -

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If I were to calculate net inductance using the formula in the question I'd get the same answer.

To answer my own question; so far, M appears to be fairly meaningless, not particularly useful and not representative of anything significantly important. Coupling factor, k, on the other hand, appears to be much more fundamental and useful in the understanding coupled inductors.


Part 3 - you don't need to use M (isolated windings with any degree of coupling)

In @user4574's answer this was said: -

So basically the point of mutual inductance is that if I change the current in one inductor then it causes a voltage in the other one, which is proportional to M and the rate of change in current.

The inference I take here is that M is useful, but I have my doubts when one considers the importance of k, the coupling factor...

In the answer supplied by @ThePhoton this formula was given "for a circuit containing a transformer (or coupled inductors)": -

$$V_2 = L_2\frac{dI_2}{dt}+M\frac{dI_1}{dt}$$

This was also mentioned in a comment by @P2000: -

@ThePhoton points out, if you attempt a similar example as the one above but where the current or voltage are NOT shared (i.e. only flux is coupled) you'll end up calculating an M to solve equations.

But this just doesn't appear to be true.

Consider the \$V_2\$ formula directly above. It contains two terms; the first term is when there is an output current on the "secondary" winding and there is a resultant volt-drop but, the main term to concentrate on is that one that includes M. So, in the case when there is no secondary current the \$V_2\$ formula becomes this: -

$$V_2 = M\frac{dI_1}{dt}$$

Knowing that \$L_1\frac{dI_1}{dt}\$ can be equated to the "primary" voltage \$V_1\$, we can manipulate the simplified \$V_2\$ equation to this: -

$$V_2 = M\cdot \frac{L_1}{L_1}\frac{dI_1}{dt}\hspace{1cm} =\hspace{1cm} M\frac{1}{L_1}\cdot V_1$$

Then, because \$M = k\sqrt{L_1 L_2}\$, the above formula can be rewritten: -

$$V_2 =k\sqrt{L_1 L_2}\frac{1}{L_1}\cdot V_1\hspace{1cm} =\hspace{1cm}k\cdot V_1\cdot\sqrt{\frac{L_2}{L_1}}$$

And, the square root of the inductance ratio is well-known to be the turns ratio, N, hence: -

$$V_2 =k\cdot V_1\cdot N$$

Can anyone explain why this derived formula isn't simpler, more useful and more intuitive compared to the formula that uses M (as proposed by @ThePhoton and @user4574)?

Anyone who knows stuff about transformers will recognize it as the basic primary-secondary voltage relationship.

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    Sure, in a few particular cases you can solve the circuit without more than "Elecronics for Dummies". I thought it was a serious question. I broke my rule of not answering something that google can answer. – Tesla23 Sep 08 '21 at 10:21
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    @Tesla23 it is a serious question. If you have an example where M gives a better way then please do reveal. Can google truly answer this question? – Andy aka Sep 08 '21 at 10:25
  • But you have taken a special case (100% coupling ). Which actually makes M =f (L1, L2) but for a general case M also depends on relative positions of coils and how flux is distributed in space which gives a factor K ( coefficient of coupling) and hence M=f(K, L1, L2) and now we can play around M and K without changing L1 and L2. – user215805 Sep 08 '21 at 10:59
  • @user215805 you don't need to use M when |k| is less than 1. 100% coupling isn't a special case where you can "get-away" without recognizing M but, if you have an example then please do leave an answer. – Andy aka Sep 08 '21 at 11:08
  • That was just a mathematical correction, assume two coils connected to battery placed in Orthogonal planes .both have self inductance (of course because any closed loop will have) but mutual inductance (M) is approximately zero, because net flux link through coils are almost zero due their orientation, but now slowly we start change the orientation of one coil, we'll realize that the current in both coils start changing and we can model this situation using M, L1, L2 but not possible to model using only L1 and L2. – user215805 Sep 08 '21 at 11:24
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    @user215805 to know M you need to know k and, if you know k, you don't need to know M. You can calculate directly but, as I said, please leave an example. – Andy aka Sep 08 '21 at 11:32
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    @Andyaka I've ever only noticed that M is just k, with situational units (Henries) applied. So I take your points. I've only one added thought. The form of your summing equation is easy to explain. Since the inductance is proportional to N^2, to sum them you need to take their square root first to map from L-space back to N-space so that you can add the turns and then square the result to go from N-space back to L-space, so to speak. It may help a beginner to understand *why* that equation does what it does. – jonk Sep 08 '21 at 19:09
  • I don't see how this transformation would be applied in cases where the two coils are not electrically connected (i.e. in an isolating transformer). How do you reduce a transformer to a single equivalent inductance value? – The Photon Sep 08 '21 at 23:37
  • @ThePhoton if you can furnish your formula with a diagram showing knowns and unknowns I'll take a stab at it without explicitly using M. – Andy aka Sep 09 '21 at 07:06
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    @P2000 I'm not saying that M cannot be used for anything rather, I'm saying that there are better ways that are more pragmatic and useful to EEs. You don't need to recognize or calculate M to solve coupled inductor problems where voltage and current are not shared. – Andy aka Sep 09 '21 at 13:13
  • @P2000 you ought to read my derivation before jumping to incorrect conclusions. If you can suggest a good scenario that sensibly and rightly exploits M to find a solution, that would be great. – Andy aka Sep 09 '21 at 17:42
  • @P2000 you appear to be struggling to justify a formula or scenario that justifiably exploits M and has merit over the use of k or turns ratio. I know how a transformer works by the way. – Andy aka Sep 09 '21 at 19:31
  • That formula was derived (without fault or simplification) from \$M\cdot\dfrac{dI_1}{dt}\$ hence, if the M formula covers all scenarios then so does the derived one @P2000. Again I recommend that you to consider making an answer and forget about extended conversations in comments because they are against site policy. – Andy aka Sep 09 '21 at 19:56
  • @Andyaka Have you considered generators where you have two coils moving past each other and coupling varies as they do , but even at the rotor/stator position of maximum coupling not all the inductance present in the coils participates in the coupling? – DKNguyen Sep 24 '21 at 13:47
  • @DKNguyen I'm happy to consider any scenario but I'm unsure how your scenario is going to help me fathom out how M can be more useful that k or N etc.. – Andy aka Sep 24 '21 at 14:03
  • @Andyaka I don't know much about machine modelling, but I was under the impression from the guy at work that you can plot machine voltage-current waveforms and then use that to calculate and plot impedance curves over time. Then if you use that calculate inductance over time what you get is a plot of the mutual inductance over time (or some inductance anyways which is not the leakage inductance) . It is fuzzy to me though. – DKNguyen Sep 24 '21 at 14:13
  • A lot of your text focuses on calculation and analysis, but what about actual measurement of circuit parameters? For example the other day, measuring either coil of a coupled inductor gives 37mH but measuring them in series gives 220mH. – DKNguyen Sep 24 '21 at 14:22
  • @DKNguyen I don't understand where you are trying to lead me. I don't understand the relevance of this physical measurement that you made, – Andy aka Sep 24 '21 at 14:35
  • Well you asked if it represents anything or is useful. I'm trying to say that if it comes out of a physical measurement, is that not enough to prove it's there? The numbers I measured are weird to me too since it matches $$L=L1+L2+2M$$ but violates $$M = \sqrt{L_1 L_2}$$ – DKNguyen Sep 24 '21 at 14:41
  • I don't dispute the existence of M; I'm disputing its relevance to scenarios that I've come across. I'm not understanding the relevance of your physical example. Why does you M formula not include the k term BTW? – Andy aka Sep 24 '21 at 14:46
  • No k term because I don't know what it is in the inductor. Just measurements seem that it is higher than it should be even if k=1. Okay I thought your question about if M was useful was equivalent to whether M really needed to exist or not (your title strongly implies this is what you were asking). That's why I was focused on measurement because if you measure it and it's there (or falls out after removing other separately measured values) it doesn't matter if it's useful. It exists regardless and what it represents is simply itself. – DKNguyen Sep 24 '21 at 14:50
  • I would like to point out that if we have two inductors, which 1) aren't connected in series nor in parallel (and even more generally, aren't conductively coupled *i.e.* part of the same circuit), and 2) the coupling coefficient less than 100%, then your arguments in parts 1 and 2 of your answer are no longer valid. So I think you should remove them from the answer, because they're not always valid arguments. – alejnavab Sep 26 '21 at 04:47
  • @AlejandroNava I do think you need to read the question and recognize that "my answer" is evolving where (1) I debunked a couple of now deleted answers and (2) I debunked the currently rated top answer. Please don't advice me on this or how k and M can be transposed without thoroughly reading the question. My arguments are valid but your comment is bizarre. – Andy aka Sep 26 '21 at 09:34
  • @AlejandroNava my (above) answer is supporting the question by taking the examples offered from "participants" and showing them to be either invalid or not relevant or that their use of M obfuscates better ways of solving the problem. Therefore, when you say *"because they're not always valid arguments"*, you are missing the point. – Andy aka Sep 26 '21 at 09:57
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Inductance tells you the voltage a current change induces in a given inductor. Mutual inductance tells you the voltage a current change in one inductor induces in the other inductor.

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    Maybe you can give an example of *Mutual inductance tells you the voltage a current change in one inductor induces in the other inductor*? – Andy aka Sep 08 '21 at 10:36
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Mutual inductance can be computed (if not always analytically, numerically) from the sole geometry of the coils (which need not be solenoids, can have arbitrary shapes and orientation) using Neumann's formula:

Neumann's formula

Can you do the same with k from first principles? Can you compute k, given the geometry of the coils, without invoking the quantities used to define M (magnetic flux or vector potential)?

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  • Using Biot Savart you can and, I believe your formula originates in the same place. – Andy aka Sep 27 '21 at 06:21
  • @Andyaka but you still need to go through magnetic flux to get there. B is prop to I, then flux of B is prop to I (oh, look!) and then the time derivative of the flux is prop to the time derivative of I. Anyway, your formula for k is...? – Sredni Vashtar Sep 27 '21 at 12:29
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Andy's observation has good merit. It is clear to me that,

"\$M\$ is a single letter representation for \$k\sqrt{L_{1}L_{2}}\$ and really nothing more."

So why does \$M\$ for mutual inductance exist. I speculate that back in the day a place holder for an unknown inductive quantity was required until a solution was found.

Is \$M\$ useful or important? Well, I suppose that if using \$M\$ adds clarity or reduces clutter in how a problem is solved then the answer is yes. If not then No. I guess I am sidestepping the question. But in reality, \$M\$ is not necessary as Andy has clearly demonstrated in his answer.

Does \$M\$ or \$k\sqrt{L_{1}L_{2}}\$ have any sort of meaning?

I start with the meaning of inductance as derived from Faraday and Lenz. These folks gave us:

$$v_{\phi}=-\frac{d\phi}{dt}$$

If the magnetic flux \$\phi\$ is created by current in a wire (single loop), then the equation may be modified into:

$$v_{\phi}=-\frac{d\phi}{di}\frac{di}{dt}$$

For several loops (turns)\$N\$: $$v_{\phi}=-N\frac{d\phi}{di}\frac{di}{dt}$$ \$-N\frac{d\phi}{di}\$ is the ability for current to create the flux within its region of influence. It is this ability that is called inductance \$L\$. Really it is self-inductance. $$L=-N\frac{d\phi}{di}$$

If there is a second loop of wire nearby sitting in the changing flux of the first, then clearly by Faraday/Lenz, a voltage will be induced across the second loop of wire.

This is not new, EE folks should be familiar with this. So then consider \$M\$. The two loops of wire can be easily envisioned with a proportion (\$k\$) of the flux from the first loop flowing through the second loop. The inductance equation can be written: $$L_{12}=-N_{1}\frac{d\phi_{2}}{di_{1}}=-kN_{1}\frac{d\phi_{1}}{di_{1}}=kL_{1}$$

$$L_{21}=-N_{2}\frac{d\phi_{1}}{di_{2}}=-kN_{2}\frac{d\phi_{2}}{di_{2}}=kL_{2}$$

These coupling inductances represent the ability of a current in one loop to establish a magnetic flux in another loop. This is where the mutual inductance is defined as the geometric mean of the coupling inductance:

$$M=\sqrt{L_{12}L_{21}}=k\sqrt{L_{1}L_{2}}$$

So here is the meaning:

Mutual inductance is the geometric mean of the coupling inductances.

This averaging tends to hide the meaning of the coupling inductances.

So in the end I support Andy's answer to his own question.

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