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For this circuit, is it possible to solve for i solely with the mesh current method? I know that this would be even easier to do with application of the fundamental laws or the node voltage method; I just want to better understand the limitations of the mesh current method, and when it's best to use it.

By the way, if you wanted to know, this is where I got the question from: https://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~tymerski/ece241/Examples_Node_Mesh.pdf It's the second question, and they answer it using application of the fundamental laws on the 13th page.

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Yes, you can use mesh analysis, although you don't need to. The first three questions in the PDF look like they're testing your understanding of KVL and KCL rather than mesh/node analysis. (Note that the circuit in question 3 is inconsistent -- the node voltages on the far right are wrong.)

If you wanted to use mesh analysis, you would have three meshes -- the ABDA mesh on the bottom-left, the ACBA mesh on the top, and the CDBC mesh on the bottom-right. The unknown current \$i\$ would be equal to the CDBC mesh current.

In principle, you can use mesh analysis on any circuit whose schematic can be drawn without crossing wires. In practice, nodal analysis is much more common. When you get to electronics, you'll see that voltage sources are much more common than current sources, so your known values will tend to be voltages. Some devices are easier to describe with voltage. For example, here's an op amp circuit, an inverting amplifier:

op amp inverting amplifier

When connected in a certain way, the op amp acts to make the voltage at the \$-\$ input equal to the voltage at the \$+\$ input. That's a voltage relationship, so nodal analysis has an advantage.

Sometimes working with currents gets complicated. Consider this bias circuit for a simple transistor amplifier:

BJT common emitter bias circuit

Note that \$V_{CC}\$ is shown as a node voltage, not a voltage source connected to ground. (This makes for a cleaner schematic, among other things.) More importantly, no current flows between the C and B nodes, so the top loop isn't really a mesh! And there are some special current relationships:

$$I_C = \beta I_B$$ $$I_E = I_C + I_B = (\beta + 1)I_B = \frac {\beta + 1} {\beta}I_C \approx I_C$$

where \$\beta\$ is a value that depends on the type of transistor. \$\beta\$ varies wildly, so you're more interested in the voltage at B than the current. And \$V_C\$ is a key design parameter. Since you need to work with the node voltages anyway, you might as well make them your variables instead of messing around with current.

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  • Wouldn't it be easier to use superposition on the op-amp? – Geno C Oct 22 '20 at 04:04
  • Well, there's only one input voltage in this case. :-) But even in cases where you're using superposition, you're still talking about node voltages. – Adam Haun Oct 22 '20 at 14:14
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Given that you provided the link and also pointed out where the solution steps are given, I'll assume I'm not doing homework for you but simply answering your question, directly.

With part labels and current directions chosen (all of them counter-clockwise):

schematic

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

From this, and always starting from the upper-right corner of each loop, we find:

$$\begin{align*} 0\:\text{V}+4\:\text{V}-R_3\cdot\left(I_1-I_3\right)-R_4\cdot\left(I_1-I_2\right)&=0\:\text{V}\\\\ 0\:\text{V}-R_4\cdot\left(I_2-I_1\right)-R_1\cdot\left(I_2-I_3\right)-R_2\cdot I_2&=0\:\text{V}\\\\ 0\:\text{V}-R_3\cdot\left(I_3-I_1\right)-10\:\text{V}-R_1\cdot\left(I_3-I_2\right)&=0\:\text{V} \end{align*}$$

(Note that after solving the above set of linear mesh equations, \$i=-I_2\$.)

Using sympy:

var('r1 r2 r3 r4 i1 i2 i3 v1 v2')
ans = solve(
      [
        Eq(0+v2-r3*(i1-i3)-r4*(i1-i2),0),
        Eq(0-r4*(i2-i1)-r1*(i2-i3)-r2*i2,0),
        Eq(0-r3*(i3-i1)-v1-r1*(i3-i2),0)
      ],
      [i1,i2,i3]
    )
for x in ans:
       x, ans[x].subs({r1:2,r2:2,r3:2,r4:2,v1:10,v2:4})
(i1, -10/3)
(i2, -3)
(i3, -17/3)

So \$i=3\:\text{A}\$.

And yes, mesh can easily be used.

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  • Thanks for the explanation. I never thought of using D as 0V, for some reason. Also, you labeled V2 wrong as 10V in the first equation. – Send help Oct 22 '20 at 12:06
  • @Sendhelp Yes, I made a typo there. Sorry about that. Fixed now. Good catch! I'll +1 your question for that! – jonk Oct 22 '20 at 12:10