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I have read multiple posts on here regarding voltage/watt loss but I wanted to see how it would apply in this situation that I can not seem to solve using available resources. Maybe I just do not understand too well.

If I have a surge protector 10ft that has 15a 125v 1875w that is plugged into another surge protector that’s specifications are 15A 6ft and that’s all I could find. Lastly this second surge protector has an extension cord 13a, 10ft 125v and 1625watts. That the end is the units power cord about 8ft that needs 110 watts at max power consumption .

Note: that the I am not going over the rated amount of watts this circuit can handle.

Using the specifications above if I have an appliance at the end of the surge protector + surge protector + extension cord + units power cable that max power consumption is 110 watts do I risk under powering it? Does the voltage/ watt loss for that much cable length affect the amount of power this tv will receive that it will not be able to have the required power it needs?

Thank you for helping me understand.

Luke F
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  • you have mis-named a `power bar` ... the surge protector may be built into a power bar, but the device that you are talking about is a power bar – jsotola Nov 21 '19 at 02:21

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Preamble:

I think what you're missing is a fundamental understanding of voltage, current, resistance, and power. I encourage you to do some research to get these concepts down.

There are countless posts here on these topics:


Your Scenario Explained:

Okay, so here are my thoughts to help answer your question:

Simple surge protectors are basically a splitter with some MOVs to arrest high voltage transients (spikes), a circuit breaker, and other components. For the purposes of your question, they are basically serving as an extension cord and adding a plug/socket connection (and a point of failure).

The length of wire that you operate a device is sort of useless information without also knowing the wire gauge (thickness of wire). Most residential surge protectors and extension cords are going to have somewhere between 18 and 12 gauge wire. You can think of wire as a low value resistor, which means it's going to imperfectly transfer power from point A to point B. Any time you have resistance, you have power loss which in this case is unwanted heat.

18 AWG (American wire gauge) is thinner than 16 AWG. 16 AWG is thinner than 14 AWG, and so on. The thinner the wire, the more resistance it has.

Let's pretend that everything you're using is 18 AWG. Connections (socket to plug) can have inherent added resistance because of corrosion, contamination, loose fit resulting in limited surface area making a connection, and so forth. Let's ignore those for the moment as well.

You have, as best I can tell:

  1. TV (8 ft cord), plugged into
  2. an extension cord (10 ft), plugged into
  3. a surge protector (6 ft), plugged into
  4. another surge protector (10 ft)

The total length of this arrangement is 34 feet. Electricity requires a full loop (circuit), so you have to double this length to determine how much extra wire resistance you're adding with this setup.

You can find tables online which provide resistance of wire per unit length, such as this one. 68 feet of 18 AWG wire adds 0.434 ohms.

I'm not sure from how you phrased it, but I'll assume your TV consumes 110 watts. That sounds about right for a modern flat screen TV of about 40-60 inches. I'll further assume that you're in the USA where mains electrical is 120 volts.

Ohm's Law is something you should study in the course of learning about voltage, current, resistance, and power.

The TV presumably operates on 120V AC and consumes 110W. (Note that the TV consumes power, while the surge protectors specify a maximum allowed power. They don't consume it, they just allow up to that threshold. This point may be the most important one with regard to your confusion.) With some basic math, this works out to about 0.92 amperes of current. (Keep in mind this should be the "maximum" or "worst case" since that's what appliance ratings are meant to convey.) That much current would also flow through the extension cords and whatnot, so you can now calculate how much power is lost to the wire: \$P = 0.92^2 A \times 0.434 Ω = 0.367 W\$. Basically, not even half a watt.

Spread out through the length of the wire, the temperature increase is negligible. In short, there's no problem with the length of wire you're using... given the load you're powering.

If you decided instead to plug a table saw into this, you'd probably trip the breaker on one of the surge protectors. That's because a table saw (or a multitude of power-hungry devices) will require much more than 110 watts.


Understanding the Specs:

The surge protector ratings you're looking at are the specifications as to what their maximum load is.

Take the first spec you provided, for example:

15A 125V 1875W

15A: This means that no more than 15 amperes of current should be drawn from the protector. Why? Because the manufacturer (hopefully) selected components that are safe up to that amount. More than that, and the circuit breaker should trip. The circuit breaker's job is to stop the surge protector from supplying more current than its components are rated for. And to protect you from failures that could result in fire.

125V: This means the breaker is designed to operate at no more than 125 volts (RMS AC, but that's beyond the scope of this answer). If you try to plug it into a foreign mains outlet that uses 240V, all of the specifications are invalid because you're not using it as intended/designed.

1875W: This is a sort of redundant specification. Power is equal to voltage times current. 125 volts times 15 amperes equals 1875 watts. In theory the label need only show power and voltage (or current and voltage).


Conclusion:

Does the voltage/watt loss for that much cable length affect the amount of power this TV will receive that it will not be able to have the required power it needs?

Yes, it affects how much power the TV consumes (by way of dropping the voltage that the TV "sees"). You're on the right track to be concerned about this. In this case, since the TV power requirement is relatively low, and the added wire length (resistance) is not terribly high, you should be just fine.

Increasing the load (things that require more power), increasing the length of wire feeding the load, or decreasing the wire gauge: all can contribute to a situation where the load is inadequately supplied and may cause failure.

JYelton
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  • How much voltage drop should I expect. Then do I use that number and multiple it with the 13a or 15a number to get the amount of watts it can supply? Thank you for the help it helped me to understand. – Luke F Nov 21 '19 at 00:19
  • I want to know if I use the 13a or 15a because I am unsure if I should use the smallest amperage or the amperage at the beginning of the circuit? I think 13a because it works as a “bottleneck” I assume as the 13a is smaller you can kind of relate it to a pipe? – Luke F Nov 21 '19 at 00:20
  • Also what is the max watts I can expect at the ends of surge protector + surge protector + extension cord + units power cord? This is wattage constant and does the the cable length lead to fluctuations? – Luke F Nov 21 '19 at 00:22
  • The "weakest" link will be the maximum of your entire chain. So if something in your wiring is rated for only 13A, that will be the maximum you can safely draw. You have the right idea with "bottleneck." Whatever the lowest number for wattage rating you have among your surge protectors, that becomes the maximum you can use. – JYelton Nov 21 '19 at 00:31
  • What would be the expected voltage drop, so then would that be the number you multiple by 13a to get the maximum watts you can safely draw? Also with long wiring is there a chance for fluctuations that could damage the application and under power it? – Luke F Nov 21 '19 at 00:44
  • Not a big deal, but power is equal i^2*R so that the power dissipated in the cable is .92^2*.434 = 0.367 watts. In this case, the power is numerically close to your result because the current is close to 1 amp. In general, of course, there would be a bigger difference. – Barry Nov 21 '19 at 01:50
  • @Barry You're absolutely right. I used the wrong formula. Will fix! – JYelton Nov 21 '19 at 01:53
  • So with Ohms law and the 0.367 loss what does that equate to, only that much of a watt is lost of the 1625 watts able to be provided from the 13a cable? – Luke F Nov 21 '19 at 02:02
  • I think what I am trying to get at is the math that would show how much I can power at the end of the surge protector + surge protector + extension cord + tv cable using the specs above. – Luke F Nov 21 '19 at 02:07
  • @LukeF Think of it this way: One resistance is the cable. Another resistance is the thing you want to operate (over-simplified because many loads are not purely resistive). Quick example with a 1500W heater so you can see how higher current will cause more loss in the cable: Heater resistance: E^2/P = 9.6Ω. Total resistance: 10.034Ω. Total current: E/R = 11.96A. Power lost in wire: I^2*R = 62W. This means the wire will dissipate 62 watts with the higher load! All of this is just Ohm's Law rearranged. – JYelton Nov 21 '19 at 03:36
  • So that means that the heater will only receive 1438 watts if it needs 1500? So with the TV example I was using if my tv pulls 110 watts it would receive 109.64 watts? Is this technically under powering it and unsafe for the TVs components? – Luke F Nov 21 '19 at 15:16
  • That's true if there are purely "dumb" resistive loads. Watts aren't "delivered" so they can't be received. The extra wire adds a small resistance, which has a voltage drop, which changes the voltage at the device, which affects how much current it pulls. All of that affects the amount of power it uses (how many watts it uses to do work, as in physics 'work', with). The conversation in comments cannot go on, I encourage you to read about different types of loads, because a TV and many other things will have some amount of capacitive and inductive aspects, too. – JYelton Nov 21 '19 at 15:32
  • But in sum, yes it 'under-powers' the load somewhat. A minor under-voltage won't be a problem. It just means at the end of the day you are wasting power as heat in excess wire lengths if not properly sized, and devices will get slightly less voltage than otherwise. Many things will actually pull more current to make up for it (switching power supplies for example) which adds to the power losses in excess wire. Hopefully all if that gives you a place from which to research. Ask new questions on any specifics (but not in comments). – JYelton Nov 21 '19 at 15:36