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I see people suggesting specialized tools, or trying it manually with sharp knife or scalpel, why not just burning the rubber for a second or two with a lighter and just pulling it out a more suggested option?

Is there any con to this approach that I am not aware of?

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    Smoke detectors. – Whit3rd Jan 13 '18 at 08:59
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    google teflon flu –  Jan 13 '18 at 09:14
  • It's not *clinical!* – PCARR Jan 13 '18 at 11:56
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    Burning insulation off is one of those things you do in an emergency, and there are no better alternatives available. Like, an important wire on your land rover breaks leaving you stranded a hundred miles from no damned where and you've lost your knife. Burn the insulation, fix that puppy, and get some place you can fix it right. At home, use a proper tool or knife. – JRE Jan 13 '18 at 15:45
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    When I was a kid, I once took a lighter flame to some dental floss. It caught fire, satisfyingly, and promptly dripped molten and burning plastic onto the fold of my fingernail. I don't know how to describe the pain, but compared to it, having my wisdom teeth pulled out was a walk in the park. So my personal thought about this is: Why in the [expletive] would anyone want to burn insulation if any other options exist? – Dampmaskin Jan 13 '18 at 16:14
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    What a stupid question? Why using a lighter, when you have your teeth? –  Jan 13 '18 at 22:31
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    I keep a cage full of gerbils and just poke the wires in to get the insulation chewed off. And the gerbils love it, so it's a win-win! – Ian Bland Jan 14 '18 at 01:31
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    Also, you might not be able to reach the cable in a good way, and putting a lighter to a bunch of cables and other material in a tight space might not be the best idea. – Viktor Mellgren Jan 15 '18 at 08:38
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    This also damages the wire. I used to try doing this for headphone repairs in a pinch, the wires became brittle, they got a fine ash coating which of course affected contact conductivity and had to be scraped, and in some instances the wire itself would go *poof*. Plus what Dampmaskin said, I have yet to experience pain at the level of melted plastic/rubber dripping onto my flesh. Oh and you'll instinctively try to pull it off with your other hand, making the problem worse. learn to cleanly cut to the metal with razors and you'll be set for life. Thanks JonRB, as in answer, I was unaware – NOP Jan 15 '18 at 14:02
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    Thermoset materials like EPDM and XLPE will char and may not make it any easier to strip. The wire insulation would have to be a thin layer of thermoplastic material, like PVC, polyethylene, polypropylene, Teflon (FEP, PTFE), etc. – davidmneedham Jan 15 '18 at 17:02
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    If you want a quick fix, just bite it with your teeth. Your mouth/tongue/teeth system are *incredibly* precise and *incredibly* powerful. It's easy to bite just through the covering, and strip it. Turn 90 degrees between two actions. – Fattie Jan 15 '18 at 20:41
  • I have used many different kinds of insulated wire, and hardly any of them could be effectively "stripped" using a flame. Paper insulation is exceedingly rare, and apt to be TOO readily flammable if actually encountered. Rubber, plastic, and shellac/varnish insulation is not easily removed using heat -- you may be able to cause bits to flake off, but other parts will adhere even more firmly. – Hot Licks Jan 16 '18 at 02:18
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    Surprised nobody's mentioned hot tweezers – Scott Seidman Jan 16 '18 at 11:50
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    I have just rejected an edit suggesting this should be done with a lightsaber rather than a lighter. I had to do this because the lightsaber would go straight through the wire as well. – RoyC Jan 16 '18 at 15:24
  • Why not use a screwdriver in place of a chisel? Why not use a chainsaw for carpentry? – J... Jan 16 '18 at 15:31
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    @IanBland I can just picture the scenario when an electrician has to turn the van around because they've left their gerbils at home. – Dawood ibn Kareem Jan 16 '18 at 19:49
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    @Dampmaskin: To be honest wisdom teeth is not the best comparison since I literally felt no pain getting mine pulled out (whether during or afterward). – user541686 Jan 18 '18 at 05:29
  • In fact this is a pretty common method in slums of asia and africa. Why only there? Well, the life expectancy you aim for is perhaps a bit longer ;) – joojaa Jan 18 '18 at 14:29

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  1. It stinks
  2. It leaves soot and partially burned plastic on the wire and between the strands - those makes solder joints more difficult to make and less reliable.
  3. It is difficult to control how far back the insulation melts.
  4. Some insulation materials will soften and sag further back from the burned place, compromising the insulation.
  5. Lighters are hard on your fingertips if you use them a lot.
  6. Some wires have flame retarding chemicals in their insulation. That doesn't just stink, it can be poisonous.
  7. Teflon flu caused by breathing the fumes from overheated teflon. (Thanks to @JonRB - I had never heard of that before.)

Insulation is rarely made of rubber. It is usually some kind of plastic. There's also teflon insulated wire, which doesn't burn well but melts. Then there's what's called silicone insulated wire, which is especially heat resistant.

There's also varnish insulated wire meant for winding coils. Of all the wire types, you will most often see recommendations to burn the insulation off of varnish insulated wire. Don't.

For normal insulation, use a good tool.

For varnished wire, use (very) fine sand paper on the thicker wires. For the finer stuff, get a blob of hot, melted solder on the tip of your soldering iron and run the tip of the wire through the blob to melt the varnish off.


A good tool is expensive. I've never found one that I liked, that worked well, and that I could afford.

All the cheaper tools end up cutting into the wire. I've given up on ever finding a good, affordable tool.

I learned long ago to use side cutters to strip wire. I can do it without cutting or nicking the wire inside.

I also quite often use the smaller blade of my pocket knife. I keep it just barely sharper than dull. It can score the insulation, but not cut it well. Wire between thumb and knife blade, a half turn to score the insulation, then pull. Works like a charm, and doesn't cut or nick the wire.

I've already described magnet wire.

That leaves teflon insulated wire wrapping wire.

The wire inside is very thin, and any nick will make it break. Can't use any bladed tool on it because they will all nick the wire.

Just push the tip of the wire into contact with a hot soldering iron. I do mean just the tip - the wire almost always protrudes a tiny bit out of the insulation. Heat that tiny wire protrusion. It will get hot and the insulation will melt back maybe a millimeter or two. That's enough to solder with. Looks ugly, but it won't break off like it would if you used a bladed tool on it.


You don't want to use a sharp knife or a scalpel. You will be guaranteed to cut into the wire. (Or as RoyC mentions, your finger.)

Try it as I described. It works, though it takes some practice.

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    You don't like the heated cutters for teflon? – detly Jan 13 '18 at 10:29
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    "You don't want to use a sharp knife or a scalpel. You will be guaranteed to cut into the wire." Or finger! – RoyC Jan 13 '18 at 10:35
  • @Detly: I've never seen a pair of wire strippers like that. – JRE Jan 13 '18 at 11:31
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    These are what I mean: https://www.eraser.com/products/wire-cable-strippers/thermal-wire-strippers/ – detly Jan 13 '18 at 12:21
  • Some people call them "heat tweezers" or "thermal strippers". They were a life saver when I worked with PTE and teflon coated wire for prototyping. – detly Jan 13 '18 at 12:22
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    Yes, this is a good answer. The only thing I would add is that it would take longer to heat the wire to strip it. I personally use diagonal cutters on the majority of wires, and only use a bladed tool for wires with very thick and/or hard insulation. But most wires have soft and thin insulation such that you don't even need to cut the insulation. Just lightly clamp with the diagonal cutters and pull quick and it will pull right off and not pull out strands. – Thomas Carlisle Jan 13 '18 at 13:47
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    Oh, actually you can reasonably do it with a very sharp knife. The problem is, a knife of that sharpness is easily damaged by using it to cut on metal. – rackandboneman Jan 13 '18 at 21:34
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    @rackandboneman: Ideally, the knife never touches the metal while stripping wire. – JRE Jan 13 '18 at 21:45
  • And, yes, you can (and I do) strip wire with a sharp blade. Prefer to use a blade just barely sharper than dull, though. – JRE Jan 13 '18 at 21:46
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    _“I've never found one that I liked, that worked well, and that I could afford.”_ Have you given this style of “adjustable automatic” wire stipeers a chance? In my experience, they work almostly flawlessly for wires in small electronics cables and devices. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JO6UB7W/ref=s9_acsd_top_hd_bw_b2Jxm_c_x_8_w?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-3&pf_rd_r=VV41B8F9KXGV2S18KNFP&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=f6696391-cce8-5c19-a9f4-3720630a6927&pf_rd_i=553398 – Slipp D. Thompson Jan 13 '18 at 22:21
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    @SlippD.Thompson: I gave up long ago. Me and my knife and side cutters do the job for my hobby stuff. If I were still working with electronics daily as part of my job I'd probably still be looking. Took a look at the linked one. Looks like its about like some of the ones I tried in the past. – JRE Jan 13 '18 at 22:27
  • Hard on your fingertips? Wtf? – PlasmaHH Jan 13 '18 at 22:30
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    @PlasmaHH: If you smoked cigarettes the way I used to strip wire (quantity per day) you wouldn't have any fingertips left when using a cigarette lighter with a flint and wheel. – JRE Jan 13 '18 at 22:32
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    I tried many strippers over the years and have ended up still using the first pair I ever bought, simple end strippers. All the automatic ones seem to hurt my hands with prolonged use, and anything that approaches the problem from the side puts the wrong forces on the wire. I'm well enough practised with the "feel" of my simple strippers that I never cut or nick the copper, I have a kind of reflex that slacks me off as the strippers bite into the plastic. Simple is often best. – Ian Bland Jan 14 '18 at 01:35
  • @jre we don't live in the 80s anymore, I believe haven't seen lighters like that in ages – PlasmaHH Jan 14 '18 at 21:51
  • Hopefully what people will take away from this answer is excellent wire stripping is a skill that needs to be developed that can not be purchased as a tool. Some tools may aid some people in developing the skill, but nothing can replace practice and experience. – Todd Wilcox Jan 15 '18 at 07:22
  • @detly Re "heated cutters for Teflon": Wow, **heating teflon above 300 C is a really bad idea.** Pyrolysis of organic chlorine compunds (PVC) is bad enough; pyroloysis of fluoride compounds is, like, *really* bad. It's starting chemical warfare at your workplace. See https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/69371/what-does-teflon-give-on-decomposition and the page the accepted answer links to, https://www.fluoridealert.org/wp-content/pesticides/teflon.decomposition.prod.htm. – Peter - Reinstate Monica Jan 15 '18 at 08:17
  • @PeterA.Schneider Probably a concern to raise with the manufacturers or relevant statutory bodies (since it's advertised for use with teflon insulation). You **can** set them below 300°C (or 200°C as your link would suggest), and I expect most people would since burning or warping is highly undesirable for insulation (assuming pyrolysis means those things happen); anything more than a gentle softening means you'll mess up your wire ends or insulation and need to throw out the wire and start again. – detly Jan 15 '18 at 09:05
  • @PeterA.Schneider I'm also not clear on what those concentrations mean in this context ie. even if you do the dumb thing and set the cutters too high, I don't know enough chemistry to calculate what you'll likely end up getting in terms of the harmful by-products (plus diffusion in the air, etc.). – detly Jan 15 '18 at 09:10
  • @PeterA.Schneider Finally (and sorry to nit pick about this, I am fully on board with having a safe workplace, this just raises a lot of questions) — I'm wondering what happens when you actually solder with this wire. Even with small components on a PCB and a high quality iron, you'll be applying 300°C *minimum*. This goes up when you're using wire because it sinks a lot of heat and generally goes through a plated hole (= more heat sinking). Ideally the heat doesn't travel past the exposed wire but even seasoned technicians don't solder perfectly all the time. – detly Jan 15 '18 at 09:15
  • @detly I agree with all you said; and I do think that soldering insulated wires is a health hazard, unfortunately. I learned about the Teflon dangers relatively recently (surfing for fun fluor compunds which set concrete on fire, like [Chlorine trifluoride](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride), and then HF incidents (I was surprised to learn that it is not only obviously corrosive but also very toxic, see https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/chem/HFfatality.php). Burning teflon creates HF, among others. I think it's little known since Teflon is as inert as it gets up to 300 C. – Peter - Reinstate Monica Jan 15 '18 at 11:36
  • @PeterA.Schneider Completely OT, but I assume you are familiar with the ["Things I Won't Work With" category of the In The Pipeline blog](http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/category/things-i-wont-work-with). [A post of his in 2008](http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time) covered chlorine triflouride plus a [more recent one](http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2013/04/05/chlorine_trifluoride_some_empirical_findings) referencing a video. I recommend the whole category though. – Derek Elkins left SE Jan 16 '18 at 01:09
  • As a chain smoker I cannot vouch for #5. Good answer, though. Thorough. +1 – omikes Jan 19 '18 at 09:35
  • What about global warming? – richard1941 Jan 24 '18 at 22:56
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We old farts mainly do it to show off our skills to young whipsnappers. Few things are as satisfactory to see a student or new employee ogle at how, with just some side cutters, you quickly remove the insulation from a dozen wires.

Also you don't want to breathe toxic fumes or have burn residue on your wires.

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    Thee is a story with this: we had a student in the lab who was seeing a lab engineer doing thus that: stripping wires with a side cutter very quickly. She tried it several time and the wire got cut or the plastic would not come off. So asked him how he did it. He showed her, but in a moment of inspiration said: "any engineer can do it". He called me over, knowing I was one of the people in the company who had the same skill. We had a good laugh afterwards. – Oldfart Jan 13 '18 at 09:21
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    +1 for the *we old farts* (yeah, I also use side cutters most of the time FWIW...) –  Jan 16 '18 at 05:26
  • @vaxquis: more like +1 for the username... – user541686 Jan 18 '18 at 05:33
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Because using the correct tool gives you a better result with precise strip lengths without the risk of leaving combustion products all over the wire which will adversely effect solder-ability or conductivity.

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    The first principle of all craftsmanship: "The correct tool gives you a better result." :-) – Peter - Reinstate Monica Jan 14 '18 at 10:35
  • Quite correct, in my opinion the real heroes are the electricians who wire connection after connection. It is essential that the wire is not nicked and essential that the strip is the correct length to do that you need the right tool. Those trying to do this with a pair of side cutters need not apply. – RoyC Jan 17 '18 at 16:30
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Whether it produces good results or not, wire insulation is one of the worse things to set on fire because "modern electric wires commonly use PVC plasticized with linear Phthalates" as insulation1. The National Center for Biotechnology Information states:

With its high content of chlorine, PVC is frequently branded as a major chlorine donor and spitefully leads to substantial formation of dioxins during poorly controlled or uncontrolled combustion and open fires.

Using your lighter certainly qualifies as "uncontrolled", and while the absolute quantities are small they are produced directly under your nose, often in a closed room. In addition to HCl and dioxin due to the relatively high Chlorine content in PVC, uncontrolled combustion produces the usual array of harmful substances like aromatic hydrocarbons and the simple, good ol' CO.

Don't do that.


1 In recent years there are efforts to phase out PVC as electrical insulation and replace it with polymers which do not contain Chlorine. Those burn cleaner, but it may still not be advisable to light them in a closed room.

  • At some places, PVC wiring is outlawed due to the smoke it produces when catching fire. Low smoke zero halogen (halogen-free material, LSZH) is usually used in those situations (think car-tunnels). [Video's of cable flammability tests](http://www.l-com.com/multimedia/video_clips/video.aspx?ID=13100). – Mast Jan 17 '18 at 10:08
  • Some more concrete [experiments](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084980/) with actual wire have shown that in the presence copper wire, burning PVC produces less HCl because of the formation of copper chloride, but that's also fairly toxic when inhaled; NIOSH puts the permissible limit at 1mg/m3. https://safetydatasheets.pfizer.com/DirectDocumentDownloader/Document?prd=PZ03173~~PDF~~MTR~~HSP~~EN~~PFIZER&DocType=DOC – Fizz Nov 07 '21 at 17:17
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Well, it can leave burnt debris when you need to solder it afterwards and, even if it does not leave burnt plastic, it can coat the wire(s) with soot from the flame.

It can be an easy solution when dealing with very thin wires that have a varnish type coating though.

As you have seen most people use some type of tool, there are several tools that can be used - a self-stripping "plier" type, cutters with "holes" in the cutting edge to miss the wire but cut the plastic etc.

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Addendum, since two more traps have not been mentioned yet:

Soot can be conductive.

Some PU insulation (common solder-through insulation on magnet wire) actually does have warnings in the datasheets encouraging you to work in a well ventilated place, because some of the pyrolysis products are seriously toxic. An open flame is not unlikely to release even more of these.

ADD: HCl when burning PVC was mentioned in another post. HCl is really bad for metallic components around. In structure fires where significant amounts of PVC insulation burned, the metal damage from corrosion by HCL can be quite significant. You probably don't want these fumes near electronics.

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In addition to the other problems mentioned, when burning the insulation off, you can also heat the wire and make it brittle. This increases the possibility of failure later. For smaller wire, I like Paladin, such as the Grip P10. If you're stripping a lot of very small and/or delicate wire, you probably want a thermal wire stripper. There are countless wrong ways to do things. What you do depends on your goals, how much the project matters to you and others, budget, etc.

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  • Heating the wire will anneal it and and make it softer, not more brittle. – Navin Jun 14 '19 at 12:21
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    Only under carefully controlled conditions (i.e. not using a lighter). Heating above the annealing temperature can lead to hydrogen embrittlement and other effects. [Ref](http://www.metalconsult.com/pdf/evaluation_of_fire_damaged_copper_wire.pdf), [Ref](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazing), [Ref](https://www.industrialheating.com/articles/84946-engineering-concepts-hydrogen-embrittlement-of-copper), [Ref](http://www.heat-treat-doctor.com/documents/Hydrogen%20Embrittlement.pdf) – John Johnson Jun 15 '19 at 16:43
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In the case of magnet wire some are designed for thermal stripping by placing the ends into a pot of solder. Enamelled wire not so. All others require mechanical means. Flame stripping i will admit to having used but depending on the insulation used can be a very bad idea especially for stranded wire where they have to be soldered after, emergency measure only. Mechanical stripping is best but really needs tools designed for the diameter of wire in use , this an get expensive for different sizes and types of wire although adjustable strippers are available.

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  • This can be tricky when you're dealing with mystery magnet wire, like a repair job, especially the very thin stuff where the normal toolbox strippers would just cut through it – Chris H Jan 15 '18 at 09:51
  • True , i use a dremel and abrasive drum for the thin stuff.You can do it by hand but takes ages. – beerbug Jan 15 '18 at 17:29
  • Can someone please link me to magnet wire that’s *designed* to be stripped by the heat of a soldering iron? Very interested for hobby projects – joshfindit Jul 20 '19 at 23:18
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It all depends on your project. If you are in your garage working on a small project I don't think it is a big deal. We have worked on some pretty large projects in the past and hire out to have wire pre-cut and stripped for us. We tried a lot of techniques when we first started.. tools, cutting, burning, etc... and it was just too time consuming. When we used several tools the wire would always get nicks in it and we needed something cleaner.

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It's not recommended to have flames in any environment; you could ignite something in the air or on the table. And if you use a cheap wire strip tool, you can strip a lot more cables in the same time.

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Not burning it but heating it with an iron on the copper, not on the insulation. The insulation soften and can be pulled back like shirt sleeves. Use only on thin wires (for electronics).

For normal wires use this: https://cdn.manomano.fr/pince-a-denuder-automatique-P-140971-298992_1.jpg

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