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A board I designed has a noise problem that is caused by an onboard GSM/GPRS module (the Quectel M66 [1]). This module is connected to a Siretta Delta 2C [2] dipole antenna via 20cm coax cable. The image below shows the layout around the GPRS module:

PCB layout: GPRS sub-pcb

The GPRS module itself works fine: the signal strength is good and sending/receiving data is no problem.

The problem

We have a few 24-bit ADCs on the board that pick up noise spikes when the GPRS module is connecting to the network. This noise seems to be caused by the antenna and the coax cable. Noise spikes caused by GPRS module Noise spikes caused by GPRS module (see the middle of the plot).

Observations

  • The problem still exists if the GPRS module is powered independently from the rest of the circuit.

  • The noise only seems to occur when connecting and disconnecting from the network, not while using the connection (sending data).

  • Adding a one meter coax extension cable suppresses the noise, except when it is positioned in a straight line. This is even the case when the antenna is in the same position as before.

  • Ferrite beads around the coax cable suppress the noise a bit, but not completely. Maybe a lot of ferrite beads, or another type of beads would be sufficient. Unfortunately these beads are quite large. Adding multiple of them will not fit into the product.

  • Placing the antenna directly on top of a large sheet of aluminium works quite well, but only if the sheet is in direct (conducting) contact with the antenna. Maybe this forces the dipole antenna to become a monopole + GND plane?

  • Edit: Even with the antenna disconnected (just the 20cm of coax), the module works as intended, no noise on the ADCs. Even though the module uses more power in this configuration.

Unfortunately the above workarounds are not very practical or reliable enough to use as a real solution.

Hypothesis

I am more and more convinced the problem may be related to common-mode RF current on the coax cable. This seems to come up often when searching for driving a dipole antenna with a coax cable.

Help!

Does this hypothesis make sense considering the situation and observations? Are there other likely causes that could explain these observations? And finally, what can I do about it?

Edit: about the power supply

The GPRS module can draws large current spikes up to about 2A. In an effort to keep these currents away from the ADCs, the latest board revision buffers most of the power with a large capacitor, as shown in the schematic:

schematic

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

The main power supply only has to deliver up to about 300-400mA. This is enforced by a current limiting IC in series with the power supply. A large electrolytic capacitor buffers the current peaks. The last step is a 4V LDO to keep the voltage on the GPRS module steady at 4.0V. A total of 80uF of ceramic capacitors is placed directly on the 4V power input of the GPRS module.

When the module is sending, the LDO output drops by 60mV. The Quectel M66 datasheets recommends a maximum drop of 400mV. Unfortunately I do not have enough reputation yet to add more pictures

[1] http://www.quectel.com/product/prodetail.aspx?id=73

[2] http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1877150.pdf

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  • Could you elaborate on "Adding a one meter coax extension cable suppresses the noise, except when it is positioned in a straight line. This is even the case when the antenna is in the same position as before."? Perhaps an image would help. – Joren Vaes Apr 28 '17 at 12:40
  • @JorenVaes In both situations the antenna is placed at the exact same location and orientation. The only difference is adding one meter of coax cable (the coax is coiled up or folded). However, if the antenna is placed at 1m distance, with the coax in a straight line from the module to the antenna, the noise is not surpressed. In general, anything near the coax seems to influence the height of the spikes. – user147629 Apr 28 '17 at 12:50
  • What does the power supply to the GSM module look like (measure with a scope)? Do you have the same noise there as on the ADC's? You may need more capacitance on the power rail to hold it up when the module is transmitting. GSM modules can draw up to 1.6A in bursts. – Steve G Apr 28 '17 at 14:08
  • @SteveG I edited the question with some info about the power supply. The supply directly at the GSM module only drops about 60mV. Even with a separate supply for the GSM or a separate supply for the ADCs the problem remains. – user147629 Apr 28 '17 at 17:06
  • your schematic does not conform to reference design provided by Quectel, there must be larger capacitor instead of 80uF. I used 1000uF with M95 so it can not be different from M66 . why dont you take aid from Quectel? I mean that they can help you by checking your design. Did you inform them about your issue? – Mustafa YETİŞ May 03 '17 at 14:46
  • Your diagnostics seem to indicate that problem is diminished when antenna is removed or altered. I would suspect RF pickup by analogue circuitry. I would try and shield the analogue circuitry. If you can use two units, one with radio disables but measuring ADC noise. Use various shields and distance between the two units to see if you can eliminate the interferance. – KalleMP May 03 '17 at 17:41
  • Use a microwave CM choke on suspect tracks to balance them and raise Zcm at same time. – Tony Stewart EE75 May 06 '17 at 01:35
  • Please describe the ground separation you did in the card. Try to significantly short it and see how it works Dan – Dan Jun 06 '17 at 12:40

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Something to try:

Adjusting the cable length and antenna mounting seems to affect the noise you are measuring, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the noise is coming from the RF. When the cable length or counterpoise (adding aluminium sheet) changes, the load (complex impedance) presented to the output of the RF module will change. This can cause the amplifiers in the RF module to consume more or less current. I would suggest disconnecting the 4V LDO and try powering the RF module from a bench top supply while the rest of the board is powered normally. Make sure you use low impedance connections (thick cables) for the power and ground connections between the bench top supply and the RF module. If the problem goes away then you are dealing with a power delivery problem.

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